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07-31-2005, 03:04 PM
| | | Terry Pratchett attacks Rowling
Terry Pratchett has criticised Jo Rowling saying she is being elevated "at the expense of other writers". On today, of all days. Do I hear someone crying for publicity? Probably. Quote:
In a recent interview with Time magazine, Rowling said she was "not a huge fan of fantasy" and was trying to "subvert" the genre. The magazine also said Rowling reinvented fantasy fiction.
Pratchett, whose first fantasy novel was published 34 years ago, wrote to the Sunday Times saying the genre had always been "edgy and inventive".
"Ever since The Lord of the Rings revitalised the genre, writers have played with it, reinvented it, subverted it and bent it to their times," he wrote.
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He also expressed surprise at Rowling's comments that she only realised Harry Potter was fantasy after the first book was published.
"But I would have thought that the wizards, witches, trolls, unicorns, hidden worlds, jumping chocolate frogs, owl mail, magic food, ghosts, broomsticks and spells would have given her a clue?"
| His full letter can be read here.
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08-01-2005, 12:25 AM
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| Never insult JK Rowling infront of me (angry and shouting) !!! (I sound just like Hagrid lol) |
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08-01-2005, 12:32 AM
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| *Turns Deff Ear* La La lala I can't hear YOOOUUUU!! No Bad words will be heard here about JKR! None! Will NOT!! I say apon pain of poking!!!  It doesn't seem that The HP world is si-fi fantasy because it could very well be probable!! God that would be cool!! But then again this is coming from a person who practically lives at Starbucks. Mmmm I need a Green Tea Frapp :starbucks: |
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08-01-2005, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcella_Riddle This just makes me feel sick. On her birthday for crying out loud. I'm never buying any of his books. Ever. |  Serves him right! What in the world is his problem? And right on our beloved author's birthday? Talk about a birthday joke that went bad, or something like that. Bleh, I dunno what I'm talking about, but I bet there's atleast one sour fruit for every decade's worth of writers attacking another. |
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08-01-2005, 02:39 AM
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Sixth | O, he seems like such a meany!! How dare he insult JK and Dr. Suess! They're the best! If he plans on selling any more books, he better drop his mean insulting attitude! Afterall, there are a lot of fantasy readers on this site alone! |
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08-01-2005, 03:01 AM
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| Slug and Jiggers Storekeeper
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| Interesting article....thank for the news. |
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08-01-2005, 03:57 AM
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| why would you even go after someone like that |
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08-01-2005, 04:09 AM
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08-01-2005, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cursed Erkling No, no, no, no, no. A lot of the people who post on this site are really too young to understand that Terry Prachet DOES NOT need to "bash" anyone for publicity. ( As he has sold MANY more books than it is likely that JKR will ever sell, and if you haven't read any of his work you SHOULDN'T comment on this, because you really don't get it.) All he said was that he didn't apprieciate her comments and I'm a HUGE fan of hers and I don't either. Not to mention the other thousand or so published fantasy writers who would also disagree with her claims. If HP was your first and only encounter with ther fantasy genre I don't know if you can understand the problem here, or really what JKR is claiming that she has unintentionally done.
We need to face it, JKR is a very good writer, but she sipmly isn't on the same level as Mr. Prachet is, -if you have read him you'd get this- and if you feel the need to refute this I suggest you make a comparative study of both of their works and the English language. I'm not trying to be rude, but some of the comments I've read are and I feel the need to fire back. | I know this is slightly off topic and I apologize but I feel the need to defend myself here.
Not to bash you or anything but
I don't know how old you think I am and it doesn't matter
but I was speaking my mind and as far as i can tell
I still have the right to do so.
And I do not feel the need to go and "Study" or "compare" anything.
and for your information I only speak English.
Also Harry Potter was not my only encounter of fantasy
(i.e. Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice)
I'm not trying to be rude either, Now for me this subject is closed. |
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08-01-2005, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcella_Riddle That was my initial thought  but every site says the same. | Thats good to hear that know one is doing that on this site. |
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08-01-2005, 05:40 AM
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| this guy obviously didnt sell enough books at his last printing... |
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08-01-2005, 06:32 AM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Ottery St. Catchpole Third | 1st JKR rules here sorry. 2nd don't insult da kiddies they rule here too 3IloveLaura Quote: |
As to the accusations of publicity-grabbing, Pratchett's books are steady sellers, because there are always new converts looking to complete their collection. His new book - which isn't out until the first of October
| Best seller isn't the best selling...and envy is a nasty green monster...and he's been writing for 30 plus years per your earlier statement and JK hasn't and she's bigger than him? Yeah, I can see the reason he would be envious, so you'll forgive me if I find his sarcasm offensive, and your remarks unfounded. He wrote a childrens book after JKR reinvigorated that genre, which is one of the literary contributions she has given us. More kids read because of JKR than Terry and that's fact ask The Cursed Erkling who doesn't think kids who haven't read his books (Oh look Ottery you're right again) should have opinions. And yet I still love you Laura we don't have to agree but this is a JKR fansite...you're going to be outnumbered and that's facts too. Quote: |
Originally Posted by The Cursed Erkling A lot of the people who post on this site are really too young to understand that Terry Prachet DOES NOT need to "bash" anyone for publicity. ( As he has sold MANY more books than it is likely that JKR will ever sell | *said in the sweetest possible voice & unlike Mr. Pratchett without the slightest sarcasm* I would check my facts before I tell other people not to talk about what they don't know about...say like Mr. Terry Pratchett who's books I've never read and therefore will refrain from commenting on...now his comments I have read and those I will gladly comment on...and btw Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lady Marcella Riddle quoting The Age For the few people who don't know, Terry Pratchett, 56, is the multi-million-selling author of the Discworld series of books that, if it weren't for J.K. Rowling (more of her later) would be the world's biggest selling fantasy books. | Of course if you meant different books you'd be right she only has six, but if you're talking quantity...I'm so right. To all of you calling Mr. Pratchett envious...yeah consider yourselves vindicated. This is an article from November of last year, and he has time to write letters to Time magazine...yeah...funny JKR isn't writing letters to magazines bashing fantasy...she's busy with charities.
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08-01-2005, 06:40 AM
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08-01-2005, 08:33 AM
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| Um, it really sounds like he's criticising the author of that original article, not JKR... Because if you read it, she says nothing that he's attacking (except the fact that she didn't realize it was a fantasy - this is more of a swipe by him to all people who have a misconception of fantasy, but not a heartless personal attack), it's all the reporter's doing. Pratchett's really not attacking her, and those who think so are being too defensive.
I'm not fazed in the least, and I don't feel that Pratchett's a creep because of what he wrote. I'll still read his books. |
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08-01-2005, 09:03 AM
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| Terry Pratchet is being ridiculously jealous of Jo's fame. I Think his books aren't bringing in much dough! |
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08-01-2005, 09:26 AM
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| Hm... do I detect a hint of jealousy from Mr. Pratchett? |
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08-01-2005, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SapphireMisty  Serves him right! What in the world is his problem? And right on our beloved author's birthday? Talk about a birthday joke that went bad, or something like that. Bleh, I dunno what I'm talking about, but I bet there's atleast one sour fruit for every decade's worth of writers attacking another. | Quote: |
Originally Posted by Anaree Winters *Turns Deff Ear* La La lala I can't hear YOOOUUUU!! No Bad words will be heard here about JKR! None! Will NOT!! I say apon pain of poking!!!  It doesn't seem that The HP world is si-fi fantasy because it could very well be probable!! | Quote: |
Originally Posted by GinnyWeasley07 O, he seems like such a meany!! How dare he insult JK and Dr. Suess! They're the best! If he plans on selling any more books, he better drop his mean insulting attitude! Afterall, there are a lot of fantasy readers on this site alone! | Did... did any of you even read his letter? Especially GinnyWeasley07. We brought up Dr Seuss, not Pratchett.
"If he plans on selling any more books"? This news has come up on three non-Harry Potter sites. I really don't think anyone outside this thread cares. But of course we all know that only those authors approved by Harry Potter fans are allowed to write good books... Quote: |
Originally Posted by CreativeAllie18 I thought that was a little uncalled for. I mean is it really that bad that she didn't notice her story was fantasy until after she had published it? I mean he really didn't have to say that. It's kind of in a way calling her stupid, which isn't very nice. | Well you have to admit, it does seem a bit silly of her to write about unicorns and so on without it ever "crossing her mind" that it was fantasy. And the way she said it, it was as though she would never have intentionally written fantasy, which then implies that she considers it beneath her. Quote: |
As for the comment on other fantasy writers not getting acknowledged enough, can J.K. really help that? I mean is it her fault that more people like her books than other fantasy writer's books? It's not her fault that she has the ability to write stories that catch more children's eyes than some other stories.
| I don't think that's what he meant. The way I read it, he felt that the author of the article was putting down previous fantasy writers to make JKR's work seem more groundbreaking. He wasn't saying she didn't deserve any of the attention she gets. |
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08-01-2005, 09:54 AM
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| I can't understand why he's done that. Surely he should be happy that other people are out there enjoying writing fantasy stuff as much as he does. Or maybe he's just run out of ideas and is simply jealous of her current success. (bet he wishes he'd thought up Harry first!!!!!!!) |
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08-01-2005, 10:50 AM
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| Kaplinski Rival NOT Strange or Evil Inspirational Shrake
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Marcella Riddle Graduated | There's never any need for getting nasty and personal and well that use of sarcasm just fell short of calling JK stupid for not acknowledging the genre of her writing. Criticise constructively by all means, but don't get personal.
The Sunday Times IMO have greatly tarnished their name. They're no better than a tabloid. They chose to run this article on her birthday; they could stoop no longer in terms of humiliation. Being nasty about JK on her birthday is a definite cry for publicity, even if it didn't directly come from Pratchett.
For the record, I've read some of his work (borrowed from the Library; I never buy books unless I love them *shares Ottery's sentiments*) but they just didn't do it for me and I'm a huge Garth Nix fan so I do enjoy fantasy.
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08-01-2005, 10:55 AM
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| but it is ont he basis of a silly comment i.e i didnt relise i was writing fantisy untill after PS came out... i mean come on Terry it snt a dig at u or anyone it is just Jo speaking..
But i agree emm doing it on her Birthday is cruel but i doubt Jo cares.. you know what she thinks of most of the media |
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08-01-2005, 10:56 AM
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| Crikey! I would thoroughly recommend that BEFORE you post in this thread, you read as many of the comments of possible (I've just waded through 3 pages' worth).
First of all, stop implying that Pratchett has done this deliberately on JKR's birthday. He hasn't. He does not own the newspaper, nor does he control when and where they publish a letter he has sent to them, so get that straight, you hear?
Secondly, jealousy? Don't make me laugh! The reporter claims JKR is reinventing the genre but frankly, compared with "The Worst Witch" series, which DID include elements of modern day, normal life as well as having a bunch of witches in a magical school, I hardly see this as a reinvention of fantasy- more like a variance on a theme.
Thirdly, a lot of you claim to have either never read/heard of a book by Pratchett. Well, you lot are a bunch of hypocrites for criticising him! Whenever we have comments on here about extreme Christians saying nasty stuff about JKR, it always comes down "If they haven't read the books, they don't know what they're talking about"- this applies as much to you too!
Fourthly, Pratchett is by no means a saintly figure, as can be seen by previous comments he has made, but bear in mind that many of those previous comments have been borne of pointless pestering by journalists seeking to goad him into commenting. Okay, so he's said these things, but all of us get fed up of being nagged (I'm sure some of you are sick of this post already).
JKR is not the only writer in the world, nor is she the only decent fantasy writer out there. I love her books. I love Terry's books. I love Robert Rankin's books (and anyone who has been to his book signings will have heard about the amusing Rankin/Pratchett rivalry). I will not be made to feel guilty about reading any of these writers just because one may not enjoy the other's writings. Fantasy is a wonderful genre which can be as relevant or as irrelevant as the writer wishes it to be. Anyone who claims that Pratchett is not relevant clearly doesn't understand half of the jokes- the Discworld series is, first and foremost, a satirist's work, poking fun at society (particularly British, but by no means limited to) by using a fantasy world as a mirror to our own.
So I make this plea to all my fellow HP fans - don't get dragged down to the level of a numb Rita Skeeter reader- if you wish to judge the books, read a few of them first (I would recommend "A Hat Full of Sky" especially). If his comments offend you, let them wash off your back and bear in mind that nothing anyone says will ever harm this wonderful obsession of ours. And if you have read the books and found them not to your liking, then that is wholly your opinion and no one can criticise you for that, but please, this doesn't mean that Terry is a bad writer. The only reason I can be eloquent now is because of him. |
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08-01-2005, 11:00 AM
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| I've heard of him but I've never read any of his books. Are they any good? But after what he just said, I dont think I'd attempt to. |
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08-01-2005, 11:01 AM
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08-01-2005, 11:05 AM
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