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01-15-2005, 09:01 AM
| | |  Speculation about the HBP plot
With Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince due to be released in the summer of this year, it was only natural that sooner or later publications would start to speculate as to what the story may feature and who might die by the end of it.
The Star-Telegram suggests that clues as to what may happen in Harry's future could be found in the Lord of the rings or the legends of King Arthur. Quote:
Clues can be found in Camelot and the Shire as well as on the Rowling Web site. Either by accident or intent, Rowling is taking Harry down story paths that, among others, King Arthur and Frodo have already trod.
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Rowling so far has recycled familiar material, albeit in an exceptionally interesting way. For instance, there's the orphan angle. Arthur Pendragon and Frodo Baggins were raised by uncles, too, though Sir Ector and Bilbo, respectively, were considerably more congenial than Vernon Dursley. "A-great-wizard-as-mentor" plot line provided Arthur with Merlin and Frodo with Gandalf. Harry has Dumbledore. In each instance, the young protagonist is aided by a motley crew of associates, and someone evil (Morgan le Fay, Sauron, Voldemort) has considerable dark magic to wield against them.
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A key character or characters must die. Arthur lost Galahad, Gareth and Gaheris. Boromir died saving Frodo from the orcs. So Rowling will almost certainly knock off a fan favorite, and Hagrid seems the obvious choice.
My suggestion for that would be Ron, however unpopular the idea of his death in the series may be. Quote:
One way or another, at a crucial moment Harry will suffer long-term loss of Dumbledore's protection. Merlin was bewitched by Nimue. Gandalf seemed to die, re-emerged as an even stronger wizard, but was kept otherwise occupied in faraway battles while Frodo had to destroy the One Ring in Mordor. Since neither Merlin nor Gandalf was completely gone forever, it's unlikely Rowling will make Dumbledore's departure an actual demise. Which might make Hagrid even more nervous.
Harry seemed to suffer loss of Dumbledore in OotP but as the prophecy read only Harry can kill Voldemort, it seems pretty clear Dumbledore will need to distance himself slightly in order for Harry to learn to not rely on him all the time. Quote:
Harry must be betrayed by someone he trusts. So far, the surprises in the Harry series have involved seemingly bad characters turning out to be on Harry's side after all -- Sirius Black, for example. Arthur's eventual destruction came at assorted supposedly friendly hands: his wife's affair with his best friend, his son (Mordred) turning against him. Boromir was ready to do away with Frodo to get the One Ring for himself, and Smeagol pretended to be Frodo's ally for a while. Harry's got the back-stabbing to come -- perhaps by a favorite member of the Hogwarts faculty.
I can hear you all screaming "Snape!" from the rooftops, loud and clear. But I'm unsure as to who, if anyone, would betray Harry. Wormtail did in PoA, in the sense that Harry showed him mercy and he spat it back in his face, so to speak, through running away. And I frown at any suggestions that Ron could betray his best friend. Percy may seem like a likely candidate, but I think he's done all the betraying he was intended to do. Quote:
Harry won't live happily ever after. Arthur was critically wounded in his final battle with Mordred, then spirited away by boat, never to be seen again. Frodo never did settle permanently back in the Shire; he, too, soon disappeared over the sea. In epic literary tradition, defeating great evil comes at great personal cost. Don't count on grown-up Harry ending up as Hogwarts headmaster, married to Cho Chang and contentedly presiding over many subsequent generations of fledgling witches and wizards. More likely Harry, broken at least in body and perhaps in spirit, will sail off to parts unknown.
This I see happening for sure, the title of the books alone implies he's a tragic hero, although I'm sure we'd all rather see him die than sail off to some place all alone.
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01-15-2005, 09:17 AM
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As interesting as all these sound, I'd rather wait for July to read what HBP is all about. I've almost been hood-winked before, when OotP was released, when a "plot" about Book 5 was circulated on the net.
Btw, all these speculations have been thought about and talked about before, so nothing new here, really.
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01-15-2005, 09:27 AM
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Nothing 'new' no, seeing as these are literary traditions, but they are worth musing over.
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01-15-2005, 10:58 AM
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That's a very interesting article. I don't think HP is like LOTR and Arthur all the way. I think the simularities are accidental. Rowling would never give away some of the plot so easily.
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01-15-2005, 11:51 AM
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It's not so much about giving away the plot, more about what fantasy genre books have in common alot of the time. The same themes from Arthur and LotR are present in the Potter novels, so it's a fair estimate that these aspects may also creep up in the last two books.
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01-15-2005, 03:15 PM
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That reminds me of an English lesson in school once when we had to memorize the characteristics of an epic tale. It turned out the hero almost always has a mysterious past (at least he is never raised by his own parents), no matter if you look at "Beowulf" or "Star Wars"! Or King Arthur, or the Germanic Sigfried tales, or the Finnish Kalevala, etc., etc.,....so there really IS something common about all these stories! Funny to think that people over 1000 years ago had the same taste for certain story elements that we have nowadays.....
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01-15-2005, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Floriane That reminds me of an English lesson in school once when we had to memorize the characteristics of an epic tale. It turned out the hero almost always has a mysterious past (at least he is never raised by his own parents), no matter if you look at "Beowulf" or "Star Wars"! Or King Arthur, or the Germanic Sigfried tales, or the Finnish Kalevala, etc., etc.,....so there really IS something common about all these stories! Funny to think that people over 1000 years ago had the same taste for certain story elements that we have nowadays..... I think it is more like we still have the same taste for story elements that they had back then. We have read all those great stories throughou the years over and over again. Novelists today still follow the paths of the great novelists of old.
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01-15-2005, 06:30 PM
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this was interesting to read. a bit weird, them saying harry goes off marrying cho if he lived! well that whole thing. but this does bring some new ideas, well not totally. i never thought about hagrid being killed off. i think it'll be ron but i dont want to see him die! and if harry's gonna be sailing off alone anywhere i think it'd more likely be on a broom than a boat.. but i dont think that'll happen either x]
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01-15-2005, 08:40 PM
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I can hear you all screaming "Snape!" from the rooftops, loud and clear. But I'm unsure as to who, if anyone, would betray Harry.
 Not me!
Anyways nice to read about but well Im not getting any new ideas or theories...
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01-15-2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by potterxfan04 this was interesting to read. a bit weird, them saying harry goes off marrying cho if he lived! well that whole thing. but this does bring some new ideas, well not totally. i never thought about hagrid being killed off. i think it'll be ron but i dont want to see him die! and if harry's gonna be sailing off alone anywhere i think it'd more likely be on a broom than a boat.. but i dont think that'll happen either x] The whole Cho thing was a joke. And sailing was an analogy for going far away from all the troubles of past.
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01-18-2005, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by *Snivellus* Not me!
Anyways nice to read about but well Im not getting any new ideas or theories...
Me either!! I completely believe that Snape is a "good guy" and that he won't betray Dumbledore (or Harry for that matter). I also think that since he's (relectantly) saved Harry before then he will do it again. And I must say that if it weren't for Sirius... Snape would be my crush.
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