believe me..in the next few decades,loads of people will crop up and point fingers at harry potter..stupid closed minded twats!

What a load of twaddle. HP is just a story!! Everyone that is sane knows that!
Its up to your own mind what you want to beleive.
Afterall, as the saying goes: You Can't Beleive Everything You Read

These are the same people that want their children to watch the Wizard of OZ! Hey wizard in the title and who could forget "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?"

Most of these people find something wrong in everything, most have never read Harry Potter so they have no idea how good the messages are in these books.

^Same here! I've never ever practiced witchcraft due to Harry Potter books or thw wizard of Oz! My god people it's just a BOOK! Next thing you know, people will say "Spongebob is evil " or "Teen Titans are evil" Reading about or watching movies about wizards and witches does not send you to H E double hockey sticks. If it did, most people would go to h*ll.

This is what I think about people who think Harry Potter is evil:


Ok too much ranting, I feel better now.

Agreed.

Exactly. It seems like I have found people that sees my views regardless what religion they're in and whether or not they believe in a religion.

Isn't it a wonderful feeling to find people like that? It makes life tons more enjoyable.

y r people prejudiced against HP???????

Who knows why, but we aren't here, the people talking about'em right now.

I like Harry Potter because it is a psychmachic story meaning a struggle or fight for life (between good and evil). Those are the most popular stories. When I read the book I learn lessons about choosing the right thing with bravery and courage over what is evil and cowardly.

It has several themes related to Christianity. You have Voldemort who wants to be immortal (like Lucifer read Isaiah 14) and has tried every way to become that way, and Harry Potter who is fighting to prevent it, the only one who can according to the prophecy (similiar to a Christ or Messiah, the Son of God, the only one to bring immortality to fallen man). Christianity is about a fight between good (life) and evil (death).

Harry Potter is about a fight between good and evil cleverly written to include word meaning and names from Western history. It has helped a generation learn how to read. We're all here because of it. If I had to judge it I would say it was good.

I've been told before that is not the point. If that is true I miss the point and should read the above book. If the point is that many people believe that using Wicca and Witchcraft are evil, I would say look to the Christian holidays. Easter was first celebrated in homage to the Goddess of fertility (look at all the bunnies and eggs). Christmas was also delinated by a Pagan holiday. (Do we really know when Christ was born?) Paganism was used to strengthen the religion.

Really... these are just things I would say based on what I believe and know. I really don't know much about Wicca. I just know that Christianity embraced some Pagan holidays and turned them into central times to celebrate Christianity.

I should read the book to understand where it is going. I have my defense and I still love Harry Potter though.

I agree with Ragzefire. Good job!! Also, I have a book on the Wicca religon (yes, yes, it describes its self as a religon) and it lists all the gods and godesses, and they all came from many different places and religons. (ie the forever famous greek gods and godesses). Wicca is very much Earth based (as said previously).

what a lot of people forget is that there are two sides to the wicca religon there is the white (good) and the black (bad) side. Like everything else in the world something isn't bad until you chose to make the thing bad.

Well why dont they start burning all the witches again...and better yet they can use books to stoke the fire. Ruddy ignorant bigots.

I am a christian through and through. I am a presbyterian, and actually I am being confirmed this coming sunday. Tommorrow night we have to go in front of all the elders and give our personal testimony as a speech. Honestly, I agree with both sides to the argument. But there IS A BALANCE. I love Harry Potter, but I love it as a fun and fictional story to entertain myself. I view GOD as my Lord and Savior and my religion. However, (unfortunately) sometimes young kids DO have impressionable minds which could get the wrong ideas from such a vivid fantasy story.

(Just to get my point across, my youth director loves HP as well and we discuss it every now and then and he used a clip of SS to enhance our lesson about the "Body of Christ" when we were on a retreat once.)

While I (obviously since im here, aren't i?) see nothing wrong with Harry Potter, I DO have a problem with people PRACTING witchcraft or wicca or whatever it is. But that is getting into a really religious argument and so I will stop there.

Oh, and by the way, did you guys know that Lord of the Rings and the series by C.S. Lewis we both written in an attempt to convey the teachings of Jesus?? Infact, Lewis has written another book specifically on Christianity, called "Mere Christianity".


~*Margaret Ann*~

All it is, is a great book. Not to offend anyone, but Im just glad bush hasn't said anything. That would just be crossing the line, thoughs he's in my book already crossed it. Anyway, im blabbering, the people who are against HP are just narrowminded muggles with no mind for imagination-even if you are super religous-the pope said it was okay-not the current one- john paul 3rd. Oh, and i really didn't mean to offend anyone about the bush thing, im just kinda passionate about HP vs religon, politics sometimes falls into that-sorry

I totally love HP

[QUOTE=Ragzefire]I like Harry Potter because it is a psychmachic story meaning a struggle or fight for life (between good and evil). Those are the most popular stories. When I read the book I learn lessons about choosing the right thing with bravery and courage over what is evil and cowardly.


Harry Potter is about a fight between good and evil cleverly written to include word meaning and names from Western history. It has helped a generation learn how to read. We're all here because of it. If I had to judge it I would say it was good.



I totally agree

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Originally Posted by bluephoenix

what a lot of people forget is that there are two sides to the wicca religon there is the white (good) and the black (bad) side. Like everything else in the world something isn't bad until you chose to make the thing bad.

*puts her hand up tentatively* Actually, Magic and Witchcraft is neither good or bad, or black or white, it is neutral. It is the intentions of the witch that determines if the magic preformed has a negative or positive effect on things and how much of a negative or positive effect.



Although, you do sort of say that here:

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Like everything else in the world something isn't bad until you chose to make the thing bad.

And I would like to say, yet again, that Harry Potter has nothing to do with real witchcraft.

I think that everyone who has posted in this thread would do well to visit the supporting website for the book and DVD, Hour of the Witch.

The author has read all of the Harry Potter series, he has done extensive research into Wicca Witchcraft and Neopaganism, and he treats both subjects fairly and respectfully. Steve Wohlberg is NOT another right-wing Christian who cast contempt upon the name of Christ!

Many in this thread have assumed that Hour of the Witch: Wicca, Harry Potter and the Bible is a book that is filled with biggotry and a narrow-minided analysis of Harry Potter. Read the following post for example: In fact, the author points out the positive elements of both Harry Potter and Wicca, expressing his appreciation for the fact that kids are reading large books, and that wiccans rightfully concerned about our planet. However, having read the Harry Potter series himself, Steve Wohlberg identifies names of people, places, wiccan publishing houses, etc. which are used throughout the Harry Potter series which may plant seeds in childrens minds - whether J.K. Rowling intends to use the power of suggestion to influence children toward witchcraft or not.

From a Biblical viewpoint, the book points out that attempting to commune with nature is dangerous, and that witchcraft is not neutral as some suggest - making distinctions between "good" and bad magic. The Bible says that "the dead know nothing", and that after someone dies they will "never return to their house". On account of this, the author believes that trying to tap-into nature is a mis-guided effort which will lead to communication with fallen angels which are sinister in nature.

One thing that has been verified by this thread is the author's position that Harry Potter makes witchcraft look good, while those who shun wizardry altoghether are boring, narrow-minded muggles.

Before I go, I would like to comment on one last post: Sadly, you are correct in pointing out the contradiction of practice among many Christians. It is true that Easter was celebrated by pagans (and currently by neopagans) in honor of the female modonna Istar and her child Isis (different ancient reliqions have different names for the madonna and child such as Astoroth and Baal, etc.).

Likewise, Christmas is designated to strengthen the Oak King (the god of the half of the year when the days are longer) so that it can triumph over the Holly King (the god of the half of the year when the days are shorter). This is done on or around the 25th of December because it is at this time during the winter solstice that the day is the shortest. All of this is done because pagans worship the sun and the triumph of the Oak King is considered the resurrection of the sun.

The Roman church in the thrid century incorporated these holidays into christainity in an attempt to convert pagans. This began with the leadership of Constantine, who also declared an edict that all the workshops were to be closed on the venerable day of the sun (Sunday). Unfortunately for Christians, the pagans were not converted to the religion of Christ, instead the Roman Christians were converted to paganism. This is why the Roman Catholic church instuted Sunday as the sabbath, declared December 25th the mass of Christ (Christ-mass), made Easter and Halloween (all souls day) christian holidays, etc., etc.

Hour of the Witch, You said it so concisely. I couldn't think of any of the specifics.

(Are you perhaps affliated with the author?)

Ugh, that's just...awful. And I find it quite funny that the ones who believe most strongly that it's "evil" are normally ones who know nothing about it...

There is no black and white in christianity. It's all pure and white, spotless without blemish or spot. Therefore a christians who really understand about the spirit realm will never say that HP is okay to read. There is nothing okay about a book that has even the slightest hint of witchcraft. Your mind is very powerful, it is a battlefield every action you do it was first processed in your mind. When you read you leave your mind open to imagine and picture the actual story and when your mind is open anything can enter in and same as the devil like idle hands, he enjoys idle minds too. So we as christians need to stop reading HP and saying it's okay and start feeding our mind with the word of God. Do not be deceived that's the plan of the enemy, to deceive you. The only good religion is the on that strongly embraces the Blood of Jesus Christ that flows from calvary's cross. Be strong in the Lord, Faint not, endure. With love Prophetess Judea. Jesus Loves you. Repent!!! (Study to show thy self approved.)

Hmm... I don't know what to say. I really disagree with some statements. I've always tried to get along with people and bridge the gap of misunderstanding, but I've grown to learn that you can't have everyone always agreeing with everything you say and just because millions hold a belief doesn't make it true. I would hope that we can live with differences of opinion and still be friends.

I guess on this one, I am going to have to go out on my own limb by myself and embrace my difference of opinion. I also understand that I could be wrong, quite idiotic and stubborn, but when the day is over at least I can blame that one on myself and not wonder what if...

You really have to judge for yourself whether Harry Potter confirms to your understanding of Christianity. From my point of view Harry Potter is fantasy and witch/nature teachings hold no real substance in reality. It doesn't exist. Some people may worship Satan (I don't think Wiccans do), but I don't think they would get any power from it.

At least in my belief God is the only source of power. It is where everything comes from even for those who don't believe in Him. On Earth He lets us choose as we wish and grants us power to control our lives. Power comes from him, but someday we will have to account for how we used it.

In my account I want to say that I read Harry Potter. I enjoyed the series and found amazing similarities to the Christian religion that brought me closer to God. If in the end that leads me to my eternal doom (which I don't think it will), I would embrace that because I wouldn't be able to handle a heaven without good literature. I would be there with my fantasy books just loving it; it truly would be a better place for me.

close minded mud bloods (am i aloud to say that?)