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07-05-2004, 08:28 PM
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[img]http://www.snitchseeker.com/images/news/hogwarts_80.jpg' align='middle'> French get philosophical about Harry Potter - French debate politics of Potter Summary:
French debaters have been questioning the politics of Harry Potter and gave been getting philosophical about it. Article: French get philosophical about Harry Potter
The opinion pages of the French Daily have, over the last three weeks, been examining the underlying political themes of the works of JK Rowling. Quote: Thus all representatives of the state (the Ministry of Magic) are lampooned as ridiculous, or incompetent or sinister. Harry goes to a "private" school, whose "micro-society" is a "pitiless jungle" which glorifies "individualism, competition and a cult of violence".
Quote: Public institutions are unable to protect individuals: Harry Potter and his friends find that they have to break the magical state-imposed rules constantly to protect themselves from evil forces. Quote: Harry and his friends show creditable concern for the "house elves", the unpaid servants of the magical world. That the elves are mostly content with their lot is, says Smadja, a "pertinent" critique of globalisation. "Poor countries are so blinded and attracted by the system which exploits them that they have no desire to revolt against it". Quote: There have been previous interpretations, suggesting that the books are "anti-progressive" and "sexist". There have also been complaints in France that many of the wicked characters in the books have French names.
The references to Hogwarts being "public" or "private" probably arise from the fact that the school is only exclusively avaliable to the minority (those gifted with magical powers - as JK shows the wizarding world to be in the minority compared to the "muggles"). The words are probably not intended to be used to sound as if the only pupils who attend are upper class - as we know very differently, ie; the Weasley family.
Source: The New Zealand Herald via Mugglenet.  | |
07-05-2004, 09:20 PM
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| | Bicorn
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Quote: Originally posted by Marcella_Riddle@Jul 5 2004, 06:02 PM Quote: There have been previous interpretations, suggesting that the books are "anti-progressive" and "sexist". There have also been complaints in France that many of the wicked characters in the books have French names.*
 I found that very quote very amusing for some reason.....
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07-05-2004, 09:34 PM
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|  Fairy LightsSnuffles Gold Biscuits Faerie
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what?! thats ridiculous! its a story! there are many other books, i dont see/ hear them complaining about them.. i mean i know HP is a huge success but they are just looking into it a bit to much. (sorry if this post doesnt make sense i couldnt think of how to put it)
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07-05-2004, 09:36 PM
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| Fairy LightsSnuffles Gold Biscuits Faerie
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what?! thats ridiculous! HP is a story! there are many other books, i dont see/ hear them complaining about them.. i mean i know HP is a huge success but they are just looking into it a bit to much. (sorry if this post doesnt make sense i couldnt think of how to put it)
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07-05-2004, 09:52 PM
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| | Poltergeist
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Quote: Originally posted by Swizzlestick+Jul 5 2004, 05:54 PM--> | QUOTE (Swizzlestick @ Jul 5 2004, 05:54 PM) | Quote: There have been previous interpretations, suggesting that the books are "anti-progressive" and "sexist". There have also been complaints in France that many of the wicked characters in the books have French names.*
I found that very quote very amusing for some reason..... [/b][/quote]
I can see what they mean, in a sense. Although the thing about the French names is quite ludicrous. But yeah, HP does lack female prescence in comparison to the male and it sometimes seems as if only the males have the ability to be evil.
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07-05-2004, 09:58 PM
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| | Bicorn
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Quote: Originally posted by Marcella_Riddle+Jul 5 2004, 07:26 PM--> | QUOTE (Marcella_Riddle @ Jul 5 2004, 07:26 PM) | Quote:
Originally posted by Swizzlestick@Jul 5 2004, 05:54 PM Quote: @Jul 5 2004, 06:02 PM
Quote: There have been previous interpretations, suggesting that the books are "anti-progressive" and "sexist". There have also been complaints in France that many of the wicked characters in the books have French names.*
I found that very quote very amusing for some reason..... I can see what they mean, in a sense. Although the thing about the French names is quite ludicrous. But yeah, HP does lack female prescence in comparison to the male and it sometimes seems as if only the males have the ability to be evil. [/b][/quote]
Ohhhh, I dunno, that Bellatrix can give many of the male Deatheaters a run for their Money..... I hate her!!! 
I will be honest and tell you that I haven't read the whole article, I can't be bothered because it's probably a load of Codswallop anyway - said in the manner of Fred and George!
So many people try and get philosophical but really why bother, I mean they are amazing books, don't try and rip them apart because something inside you doesn't agree with it, or in many a people's case, can't understand it more likely!  | |
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07-05-2004, 10:01 PM
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| | Doxy
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Umm ok
So there are some characters with french names so what get over it there just names. Quote: uggesting that the books are "anti-progressive" and "sexist". HAHAHA yea ok likes thats even true!!!
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07-05-2004, 10:02 PM
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I dont think it's about whether they like it or not - they dont seem to lean any certain way. They're just pointing our their ideas as they see them me thinks.
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07-05-2004, 10:19 PM
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| | Bundimun
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Calm down everyone! I just red the article in the french paper and the english summary in the New Zealand Herald make it sounds worse than it really is. Actually, if you read the english article to the end, you'll see that they quote a reader criticising the articles : he was wondering if the first author had been ever young.
As I said, it doesn't sound that bad in French. But you have to understand that some french intellectuals, especially in Le Monde, love to criticise and build up very complicated theories around simple stuff. And when you see how some people discuss about some aspects of Harry Potter... I think there can be worse.
I understand that it can sound weird to read such things, but think about it, they are adults and researchers, have to justify somehow that they red all the Harry Potter books !
And as for the vilains having french names (Voldemort being the best example), after a while it gets a bit annoying to see most of the films that the bad guy has a french accent! On the other hand, JK Rowlings studied french, so we can be sure that she used the french words because it sounds better in some cases.
Well, that's it! Now be sure that many french people love the Harry Potter books.
( and I had to defend them a little  )
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07-05-2004, 11:12 PM
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| | Bowtruckle
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something came to my attention it is always adults critizing the books never the teens or kids who reads the books because the teens and kids can relate to all of the characters from the books adults make the biggest things about harry potter. the books are make believe and i don't think they are sexiest at all, and to tell u the truth i don't want to be ruied to anyone who is french but i don't need no french sciencetist telling what to read or not to read | |
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07-05-2004, 11:30 PM
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| | Ramora
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i guess people would do and say anything to be heard...i dont mean you guys,if thats what you were thinking...i was talking about those scientist...and all those who critisize HP...like someone said previously, its just a fic...
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07-06-2004, 12:07 AM
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Quote: Umm ok
So there are some characters with french names so what get over it there just names.
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uggesting that the books are "anti-progressive" and "sexist".
HAHAHA yea ok likes thats even true!!!
I agree, there just names....I remember JK saying that she been saving up those names for along time, from graves and stuff,i didnt think that she would do that to be 'sexist'.
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07-06-2004, 03:09 AM
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ok, have they lost their freaking minds? i mean man, political issues!!!? wow
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07-06-2004, 03:19 AM
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| | Bundimun
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Someone actually thinks that Harry Potter is sexist? What weirdos! Since when did the French get so political about Harry Potter?
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07-06-2004, 04:02 AM
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ok.... i think politics need to say away from books I LIKE MY BOOKS!
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07-06-2004, 04:48 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Hermione28@Jul 5 2004, 04:41 PM Quote: Umm ok*
So there are some characters with french names so what get over it there just names.
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uggesting that the books are "anti-progressive" and "sexist".
HAHAHA yea ok likes thats even true!!!*
I agree, there just names....I remember JK saying that she been saving up those names for along time, from graves and stuff,i didnt think that she would do that to be 'sexist'. I totally agree with both of you!... there just names... get over it! I mean really, look at my name... if it was in a book I would be happy... The only time I every saw my name or heard it in a book or movie was in a book my grandma wrote to me and in the movie Babe about a little pig... the duck they ate for x-mas dinner was named Rosanna... I was laughed at alot for that in 5th grade but you know what I got over it and now I am in 12 grade so people... I don't mean to be rude but Get over it! | |
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07-06-2004, 06:39 AM
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| | Horklump
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Why do people feel the need to be so offended by these books ? theyre just books (thumping good ones) but still just books .Theres no reason to be reading anything into them other then bravery, friendship and loyalty rock. Ugh its like those weird religious people that went all crazy and started burning them. seriously these people need to get over it and find somthing more important to be on about.
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07-06-2004, 02:46 PM
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| Waffling Chizpurfle
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Erm alright if that's what they feel...
No ones forcing them to read the books....
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