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Old 06-25-2004, 04:50 PM
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* The First PoA Review from a non-reader - the truth about the film to non-book fan

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I asked a good friend of mine (that I frequently go see movies with) to write down his thoughts on PoA. WHY? Because he's one of the very few people in the world that hasn't read the books!

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I'm tired of hearing everybody say, "People that havent read the books would be so confused about ...."

This is the proof. He's one of "those" people. Was he confused? Did he think there were gaping holes in the story?

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Movie Review: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

So, Richard ..uhhm... Dumbledore asked me to write down* my thoughts on the newest Harry Potter movie. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.*
Why? You might ask. Well, first of all I’m a good friend of his and second, I’m in the unique position of NOT having read any of the books. ( Puts on flame proof suit )
I do however know a little about movies. I collect them you see. And finally, I consider it an honor to be asked to do this. I’m not a movie-critic. And I haven’t written a ”review” before so I hope I do ok* :unsure:

First of, I would like to say that I think HP:ATPOA is the best of the three movies. It has more style. It has better directing. It has a more engaging story.

The reason I think the story is more engaging is that it is more personal. Even tough you learned about the characters in the previous films I never felt that we as an audience where taken ”behind the veil”. We never got to se behind the façade of who these people are. In this film, Harry is shown as a more human character. And so, to a certain extent, are the people around him. We finally see why the Dursleys treat him so badly. It’s not just some underlying hatred because he’s different. It’s because they are afraid of him. They fear what he can and might do with his potential power. One can see it in there eyes at the beginning of the movie. This wasn’t there in the previous film.

The relationship between the three ”main” characters also seems more real. The way they talk to each other and interact. The secrets they keep and the things they do. They are more grown up. And so is the movie.

In a way it’s perfect. The style of the films become more adult as the characters do the same. I assume the same can be said in regards to the books? The themes in this, the third film, are more involving as well. There are deeper meanings there without getting to preachy. Serious questions like: How do you treat your friends when you don’t agree? How much of your self do you share with others?

How much patience should you have for people that spread hate and loathing?
These questions and others are things the Harry, Ron and Hermione have to deal with throughout the entire film. And it makes it more interesting.

I would like to make a pint regarding scenes in the film. I know that a lot of people have ideas on what people that haven’t read the books will or will not understand. Seeing as there are scenes missing from the film that are considered key scenes in the book.* I have to say that I don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Never once during the movie did the questions “how did that happen?” or “how did he know that?” enter my mind.

Take the scene where Professor Lupin finds out that Harry has the Marauder-map. I’ve later been told that he was one of the people that made the map. And that is why he knew what it was. In the film one only sees that he knows and one has to accept it. And that is not a problem. The twins knew what it was so why can’t a professor have heard of it and understand what it was when he saw it? After talking to people who have read the book I know that there is LOT of information missing from the film. But it’s not needed.

As a standalone film this works great. Even tough it might falter as an adaptation. (But that is not my department )

There are things I am missing though. Humor is one. Ok, there was humor there. And one has to be careful with putting to much humor in a film like this, so it doesn’t ruin the adult themes…But there still could have been a little more. Not much…just a little more.

I also have one negative point to say about Michael Gambon as Dumbledore. Personally I that his Dumbledore was better character wise. He was more “alert” one might say. He seemed more powerful. Both as a person and as a wizard. But he still had that certain caring and understanding “grandfather” thing about him. Richard Harris (the actor* :whisle: ), on the other hand, had a more powerful physical presence. So in my mind the perfect Dumbledore would be a mixture of the two.

Closing I will say that I think this is great family entertainment. Actually it’s some of the best entertainment for children out there. In a world where mindless shows like “Teletubbies” are what children are served, HP:ATPOA stands out as a film that takes children seriously. A film that while it might be a little scary for some, still sets out to thrill children with adventure while actually posing questions that if answered, can help the children watching find out about them selves. Children aren’t as stupid as some people might think. And they deserve to be entertained intelligently. Like the creator of Dreamworks once said: “Others make movies for the children and the child in every adult. We make movies for the adult in every child.” I think that is what J.K Rowling intended with the book. And I think that is what Alfonso Cuarón intended with the film. In my mind, it seems they both succeeded.
NOTE: All emphasis (bold text) was added by me to highlight the most interesting parts.

Thanks to Osiris for taking the time to do this for me!

Oh, he's also got the HUGEST collection of DVD's (over 2000) of anybody I know! When it comes to movies, this guy knows what he's talking about.
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I, for one, have never thought that people who haven't read the books won't understand the movies! Because the movie is a movie, and they have to make them that way, for everyone. And this person here prooves it. Well done!
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Yeap... very cool...
One of the friends I went to see the movie with hasn't even touched the books... and she absolutetly loved it... she thought that the first 2 were kiddy-cutie- BORING!
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It is a sensible review........not in a HP fan point of view.I like it
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Old 06-25-2004, 07:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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cool, but part of the reason that hp book readers are so critical of the movies are because of how much we know the books, so we want every tiny thing to be in picture but it can't... so people who don't read the books can sit and enjoy every part of the movie because they are excited to see whats going to happen
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I haven't seen the movie (shock, disbelief, are the words I'm hearing), so I cannot pass judgement on his review. But I do agree with him that movie adaptations are generally different from the books. When I saw the Chamber of Secrets, there were alot of thing that didn't make sense to me. I read the book later and hoped it would help clear up some of my questions. I did not. On the contrary, it was a faithful recreation of the novel. As an adult I have found books three through five more interesting than the first two. I think if I had read books one and two first, I would never had read the other one. I do agree with him that the movie should be judge on its own merits. The future movies probably won't be faithful recreation of those books either. Thank you, Dumbledore for giving us an unbiased review of the movie and thank you to your friend for taking the time to write it.
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That guy is basically saying what i thought while watching it.. i liked it as a movie but not so much as an adaptation of the book.. o welll. :sorcerer:
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There are things I am missing though. Humor is one. Ok, there was humor there. And one has to be careful with putting to much humor in a film like this, so it doesn’t ruin the adult themes…But there still could have been a little more. Not much…just a little more.
That's kind of funny because I felt there was a lot of inappropriately timed humour in the film which could have been eliminated and the film would have been fine on the humor side of things.



This was a nice review and I'm glad to get a non-reader's perspective.
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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coolio, i mean, good dat u understood it. I took some of my friends 2 c da movie who hadn't read da books (and probably never will, but o well... :/ ) anywayz, they didn't understand it, but maybe it was because we were all talking because we were so excited ('cuz it was r last day of skool 2).

good for u doh!! good review! :sorcerer:

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For the parts in the movie that they forgot, like explaining that James and Sirius and Lupin and Pettigrew made the map and telling Harry that the reason his Patronous takes the shape of a stag, I am pretty sure they are going to add that into the fourth one. So some things will be tied up then.

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Originally posted by Dumbledore@Jun 25 2004, 01:24 PM
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lol, he has NO idea..hahaha

I don't think people who say those who haven't read the books won't understand it but it's more like, those who have read it have a deeper understanding of the movie. But it also does happen where people are confused..even in the first two..when I saw the second movie there was a couple and the wife had read the books and the husband hadn't and she had explain things to him all through the movie...what I'm trying to say is you can't judge on one person...someone else could easily post a review from a friend who didn't get a lot of stuff.

I also agree with Biochemkris that i didn't like the humour in the movie..it was trying a little too hard. It's interesting that he liked it.

I personally didn't like Alfonso's directing and Kloves's adaptation for this movie but I'm not gonna stop seeing them. I hear Mike Newell is set for the fourth film and I like the prospects of that much better.

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something i want ot point out: the guy who wrote the review and hasn;t read the books said in the beginnning "It brings us behind the veil". kinda weird he'd say that w/the thing in 5th book... lol


its good to hear a review from someone who hasn't read the books, but i still think it could have been better. and the next one is going to have to be simplified so much more and its really too bad because the plot is awsome.

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Weeell... first off, it was a great idea to ask a non-HP-Fan for his opinion. But as someone who considers PoA as one of her favorite books and the best part of the HP-Series so far... I have to say that the movie has gaps in the storyline that CAN confuse people.
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Harry talks bout his father rescuing him at the lake when he was with Sirius. In the movie, he was NEVER told that his father was nicknamed Prongs, that he was an Animagus and that he had the shape of a deer. Logically, everyone could have rescued Harry, so why does he think of his father?
I guess most people wont neither mind nor notice, but there would be more examples like this...
I think people who don't know the book or people who don't mind little inaccuracy will enjoy the movie more than i did :whisle:
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Harry talks bout his father rescuing him at the lake when he was with Sirius. In the movie, he was NEVER told that his father was nicknamed Prongs, that he was an Animagus and that he had the shape of a deer. Logically, everyone could have rescued Harry, so why does he think of his father?
I'll be light on you since you're new, and we LOVE new people! (Welcome!!) :flowersmile:

But I have to ask, Did you really read the book? And were you paying attention in the movie?

Because the reason he says he was rescued by his father was because he "saw" him. At least he thought it was him. It was really himself he saw. He thought the Harry back-in-time across the lake (calling the patronus) was his dad. He thought that because everybody tells him he looks just like his dad. It's that simple.

And to those that think, "Well this is just one guy. Lots of other people were sure to be confused." I can only say this: The whole point of this story is to show that normal people - who know movies - will get it. Without having to read the books. Without having it explained to them. They'll get it because it works as a film.
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ok, that review made me so sick i didn't even finish reading it. "better directing." BETTER DIRECTING?!!! . this guy doesn't know how much they changed in the movie and how much they left out. that is all i have to say.
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lol cool :sorcerer:

lol me and a friend 9who dont read the books) just got back from seeing PoA. i had to explane most of it to her lol
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And to those that think, "Well this is just one guy. Lots of other people were sure to be confused." I can only say this: The whole point of this story is to show that normal people - who know movies - will get it. Without having to read the books. Without having it explained to them. They'll get it because it works as a film.
I absolutely agree with you Dumbledore and I have my own reasons.

I took my Boyfriend to the cinema to watch POA and he does NOT read! It's not that he can't, he refuses! He is one of these people who cannot get into the art of picking up a book and reading it, it bores him, he is a more active person and would rather jump around on stage with his bass... Anyway, back to topic.

He watched the film and absolutely loved it. He said it wasn't difficult to follow at all and he loved the whole darkness of the movie, he felt it wasn't as such a kids movie as the first two.

In-fact I was rather impressed with him because he started asking the question: "What happens next"? Me being me and a lover of literature, told him he would have to read the next book - to the contrary he told me he would wait until the next movie comes out in November 2005!
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I kinda agree to this guy. Hey u guy who wrote it. Way to go, mate!!!!!!
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ok, that review made me so sick i didn't even finish reading it. "better directing." BETTER DIRECTING?!!! . this guy doesn't know how much they changed in the movie and how much they left out. that is all i have to say.
The point of this thread is to discuss the merits of the film.

99% of the posters here agree that PoA was better than the previus films, and credit that to Alfonso (and rightly so).

You're obviously upset about the movie because you feel it left important stuff out and that too many changes were made. That's fair, and you're certainly not alone.

But you need to realise that good directing is NOT making a movie identical to the book. That has nothing to do with directing at all.

It's the script-writers job to get the story from the book to the script.

The director takes that and shoots it in his own style.

If you didnt like the style of the movie, or the "feel" of it, you can blame Alfonso. But saying "he left stuff out" and "they changed so much!" and cursing the director for it is simply wrong.

You did get one thing right though:
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This is true. He hasn't read the books. So he judges it only by its merits as a film.

And it is a good film!
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oh,and...thanx for takin' some of ur time to write it,as well.
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I'm glad that you had a non-book reader review it. It lets us peek inside the head of someone who's brain isn't occupied by witches and wizards. I agree that PoA is the best so far and I'm so glad he pointed out that it's a good individual flim. I had the experince to take my best freind to go see it and then let her read the book (she thinks Harry Potter is borring and confusing but aggred to read PoA as a favor to me). While she loved the moive, she liked the sub-plots in the book but realizers the fustration of fans. She has no intention of reading any more of the books though.
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