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| | The Half-Blood Prince Harry's 6th year at Hogwarts - who is the Prince? | Vote for SS!
07-26-2005, 06:00 PM
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| | Bowtruckle
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I felt that could mean that he can't kill you if you're already dead; if you appear to be dead and Voldemort thinks you are, then he can't kill you. I thought of that because straight after that DD mentions putting him in hiding, which is what you'd do if you feigned someone's death. In which case, that could reflect on what happened to DD.
| when i first read that sentence i thought it meant that by killing Dumbledore, a part of Draco's soul would die, which i guess is sort of like the horcrux theory. but now that i've read everyone else's opinions about how it could mean that the order could feign Draco's death, i guess it also makes sense. now i don't know what to think!!
i mean, imagine that the sentence wasn't missing in the UK version, then no one would be making such a big fuss about it. makes me wonder if it was done on purpose, so readers would notice it.. hmmm... |
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07-26-2005, 06:17 PM
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| News Admin Platform 9 3/4 Mod Weasley's Wizard Wheezes Mod News Goddess Abraxan
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| And just when you think you've got it all figured out...man oh man.
I was sure that DD knew he was going to die from the poison, since it was too late for an antidote, and he "told" Snape in his mind to kill him. Then he said, "please" - not begging Snape to save him, but ordering him (softened, a bit) to kill him. Thus keeping his Snape's spy status in tact.
But now I don't know what to think. I was in the "acceptance" phase of DD's death, I don't want to go back to "denial." |
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07-26-2005, 07:13 PM
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| This is actually quite interesting because you know, I read the sentence and thought immediately that Dumbledore knew how to make someone appear dead. And with this revelation, someone pointing it out, it makes one wonder if Dumbledore IS dead. They also mention, interestingly, that the killing spell, every time it is used, the people fall flat to the ground. Dumbledore, however, went flying. This is also an interesting revelation. So, looking at this sentence, then maybe that was the answer... Dumbledore is faking his death. The question would be, why? To save Snape? To save Draco? And I whole heartedily like this idea more than Dumbledore begging Snape to kill him... |
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07-26-2005, 07:22 PM
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| Typo Mistress Chimaera
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Odette Heinke First | I am ever as before getting iffy about this. I don't believe that Dumbledore had planeed his death but I think he was willing to die then and there! I think Dumbledore had given Harry all that he could give harry and I quote from the book!
Chapter: The Phoenix Lament
Page: 645 (2nd Paragraph0
"And Harry saw very clearly as he sat there under the hot sun how people who cared about him had stood in front of him one by one, his mother, his father, his godfather, and finally Dumbledore, all determined to protect him; but now that was over. He could not let anybody esle stand between him and Voldemort; he must abandon forever the illusion he ought to have lost at the age of one, that the shelter of parents arms meant that nothing could hurt him. There was no waking from his nightmare, no comforting whisper in the dark that he was really safe, that it was all in his imagination; the last and greatest of his protectors had died, and he was more alone than he ever had been before."
Note: That is why he broke up with Ginny. He knew that when the time came to face Voldemort he would have to be alone and there was no one that could stop him or have a power that Voldmort did have!
That is why Dumbledore died. I think he told Snape that he would have to... But I am iffy even more. Remember when McGonagll went into her new office. There was a new portrait and guess who was inside? Dumbledore! So I think Harry may be able to talk to them and have some type of Guidence! |
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07-26-2005, 08:25 PM
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| K.O. of Mr Tennant's specs Banshee
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| i think it lends to the whole Snape killed him because it was planed |
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07-26-2005, 09:32 PM
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| I have two comments/theories:
Dumbledore expected his death, one way or the other. His death might not have been feigned, I actually doubt it is, but there was a purpose behind it. I'm not sure what this would be, maybe Voldemort profitting in some way by killing Dumbledore himself rather than having Snape kill him. And it seems so striking, so unlike Dumbledore to beg for his life. I think he was begging to be killed, odd as that sounds, so that greater damage could be prevented.
The second theory is the one of, who is RAB? I doubt it to be Regulus Black; the A is uncertain. It could of course be a brilliant red herring. I don't remember much about Sirius's recollection of Regulus, but I don't think he was supposed be very smart. And to reach and get the Horcrux, you needed the brains of Dumbledore, which is quite something. So I don't think RAB is actually of much significance, other than having destroyed one Horcrux for the good side. |
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07-26-2005, 09:41 PM
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| | Bowtruckle
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Fatima Third | In my opinionm the line plainly suggests that dumbledore was telling draco wat they would do, they'd pretend dumbledore kiled him and then he'd be in hiding until he's ready to get back in there and start fighting... i didn't read any other replys, but i'm sure evrybdy else agrees with me, right? |
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07-27-2005, 01:02 AM
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| | Horklump
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| I wonder if it was planned I also think the potion Dumbledore drank to get to the locket might have been draught of living death. Also the only reason Harry know Dumbledore was dead was because he fell not because he actually saw the curse hit him. |
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07-27-2005, 04:12 AM
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| I don't really see how this sentence could change a whole lot... the way I interpreted it, Dumbledore was basically saying, "If you come over to the good side, we can hide you so completely and offer you so much security that it will be as though you are dead to the Death Eaters and to Voldemort," which is basically what he says in the next few sentences. |
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07-27-2005, 04:20 AM
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| well thats interesteing. I wonder what it means or if it was a mistake? |
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07-27-2005, 04:25 AM
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| | Horklump
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| I don't think it was intentional to leave out such an important sentence. I mean it will be a great mystery that will hopefully be solved in book 7. I think maybe the sentence would not have stood out and been so important if someone hadn't pointed out that some copies have it and some don't. Now the attention is on one powerful sentence that could mean alot to the story or may not. |
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07-27-2005, 08:13 PM
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| it's really something strange for dumbledore to say. he doesn't look like the person threathening somebody like that, unless he was just giving some fact... it must've been edited out in the uk print. perhaps because it doesn't looki like somehting dumbledore'd say. but it's really a strange sentence. I wonder what dumbledore meant to say  |
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07-27-2005, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iloveharryp123 I don't really see how this sentence could change a whole lot... the way I interpreted it, Dumbledore was basically saying, "If you come over to the good side, we can hide you so completely and offer you so much security that it will be as though you are dead to the Death Eaters and to Voldemort," which is basically what he says in the next few sentences. | My thoughts exactly. I think that people are still in denial that DD is dead. He must...I repeat...MUST die for Harry to go one on one with Voldemort!! Sorry folks but that's it. However sad that is was. |
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07-28-2005, 07:43 AM
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My thoughts exactly. I think that people are still in denial that DD is dead. He must...I repeat...MUST die for Harry to go one on one with Voldemort!! Sorry folks but that's it. However sad that is was.
| But if everyone, including Harry, thinks Dumbledore is dead, it still serves its purpose.
I think it's a really interesting theory, actually. Not that I'm in denial, but I think it's interesting. In fact, I find it more interesting than Dumbledore wanting to die. If you look at this site, they actually point out some *really* interesting things. Such as the avada kedavra and how Dumbledore went flying whereas previous times the spell had been used everyone fell flat. Accompany that with this oddly missing sentence... it's actually neat to think about. |
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07-28-2005, 08:07 AM
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| What i am thinking is that, he meant it by the fact that he is already fighting for Voldemorts side, and that means that he is already dead-dead in his ways b/c he was on Voldemorts side?? But ut is very weird that it is only in the American version! |
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07-28-2005, 09:09 AM
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| Longbottom Legatus NLFC President Tom's Aussie Bicorn
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Originally Posted by verysolange "He cannot kill you if you are already dead." Does that mean Draco is believed dead? or that draco is really dead and he was a memory like Tom Riddle in the chamber of secrets or something? | I read somewhere i think from JK herself that there is a strong link between the chamber of secrets and HBP. so the memory theory is very interesting. |
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07-28-2005, 09:20 AM
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| *stalking you... and you* *and you*meana picassoPEE-O-NEE Chimaera
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Morbidda Lucretia Morwenna Sabine Valencia DeValdemar LeDeaux T'Humperdink. First | I've read the Muggle.net and Leaky Cauldron interview with JKR - and much as I hate to admit it - it does seem like Snape really is evil. There was one sentence, in answer to the question: "Has Snape ever been loved?"
"Yes, he has, and that makes him more culpable in a way, than Voldemort, who never has been."
Culpable: Guilty.
I don't have the aforementioned line in my book -- it seems like a pretty big thing to leave out. WHY do they have to have different editions in the first place? |
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07-28-2005, 11:34 AM
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| Detention Club FounderYankee Fan Fwooper
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| Honestly it looks like a mistake. (the omission of the sentence)
But the sentence sounds as though Dumbledore has put someone in hiding already. (R.A.B. possibly) Maybe Dumbledore found R.A.B.'s note before he/she could be killed and put them into hiding....thus making it possible for this person to help Harry. Cuz let's face it...he's gonna need help in book 7 and even if Snape is somehow on the side of "good" Harry will not trust him. |
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07-28-2005, 11:39 AM
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| That's strange... I thought Dumbledore was conveying those words to Malfoy, not anyone else. It sounded like Dumbledore was desperately trying to get Malfoy onto the right track. Not as though he was trying to convey something really important or anything.... |
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07-29-2005, 12:23 AM
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| Official -()- Seeker Fwooper
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| I trully believe that Dumbledore died. In the interviews JK made it really clear that "the hero goes alone", that is to say, without his mentor, in this case Dumbledore. If there is any doubt at all whether or not Dumbledore is dead, all one needs to do is listen to Fawkes. He laments Dumbledore's death through his song.
What I think that the missing sentence means is just that Dumbledore would fake Draco's death so that Voldemort wouldn't go after him and also to spare Narcissa. I mean, if Draco had failed and went back to Voldemort it would be one thing, but if he died trying, Voldemort could be more... er... gentle. Or maybe not. Ah well... |
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07-29-2005, 01:21 AM
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| PINK is my least favorite color..Ron's Cleansweep
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| I think it's quite *obvious* that the sentence implicates that Dumbledore could make Draco appear dead.
However, I think it's quite interesting to put it to context with other things. As I said, the killing curse, on all accounts, has always resulted in a different outcome than with Dumbledore flying. It always has someone just fall flat. I think combined with this sentence, that tidbit, and some other things (such as what Snape and Dumbledore were arguing about) that maybe it is something to think about. The hero can go alone, you know, thinking that his mentor is dead. I believe whole heartedly that Harry thinks Dumbledore is dead. But what if he's not? What if he appears dead? I think it's some consideration. And as I said, a theory I enjoy more than Dumbledore wanting Snape to kill him. To me that's just too gruesome to even think about. |
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07-29-2005, 02:15 AM
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| | Bowtruckle
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| We have seen death faked before -- remember Wormtail?
And I won't believe Dumbledore is really dead until he doesn't show up in Book 7. His Patronus is a phoenix, after all. |
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07-29-2005, 01:13 PM
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| He cannot kill you if you are already dead...
Maybe it meant that DD would kill Draco for killing him!lol |
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07-29-2005, 01:52 PM
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| | Gnome
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| Geez! Another thing we are all going to have to sit and ponder about until the next book comes out!  I think that Dumbledore does want to help save Draco, and that is why he would help fake his death. But even if he had done that Snape would still have to kill him, because it was something Draco had to do and failed, so then becasue of the promise Snape made to Dracos mom at the beginning he would have to still kill Dumbledore as part of that promise. |
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07-29-2005, 02:00 PM
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| hmmmmmmm that Is interesting but what I don’t get is HOW CAN THEY FORGET TO PTINY OUT something as important as that it makes me think that maybe they forget to print other words in the previous HP books. |
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