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| | The Graveyard Death Eater and Lord Voldemort Fan Club. Beware this bunch. | Have a very Harry day!!
03-01-2008, 09:16 PM
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Samantha Rose Magical Education | TG Topic #14 - Voldemort's Body What do you think happened to Voldemort's body? It was kinda propped up there in Hogworts while the cleaning went on, then nothing else was said of it. Are we sure there were only 7 horcruxes? Do you see Voldemort dying like that, because Dumbledore said to Tom Riddle in OotP that there are things worse than death, which may have referred to Voldemort's sub-life while without a body for 13 years. Wouldn't it have been worse for Voldemort to be in that state than dead?
Also, at the end of the epilogue it says this "he lowered his hand absentmindedly and touched the lightning scar on his forehead." Then it ends: "The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years". The past tense in the word HAD, the scar had not pained him in nineteen years, so why did he absentmindley touch his scar? Had he been doing this all along or just this time? It may have something to do with Voldemort because of the past tense HAD not, and IF he had not been touching his scar all that 19 years, why now?
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03-01-2008, 11:30 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Aidan Niall Taite Sixth Year | Can I also add a point this, it was mentioned he was supposed to be totally immortal when he created the seventh horcux. He never realised that he did though, so was it a story or was it him growing into a smaller baby-like body?
Although that was ment to be the curse repelling, so did he ever become immortal? |
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03-02-2008, 03:08 PM
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Lorraine J Brothmeister Magical Transportation | Well, we know that Voldemort's soul was divided into eight pieces, seven times, so the bit of soul that he had left when he died in the final battle was minuscule. If by some off chance, he felt remorse during his final minute of death, then I believe he might have had an afterlife that was decent. However, knowing Voldemort and from looking at his lifepath (in Arithmancy - of course!), Voldemort most likely died without a second thought about why he might have committed wrong. Therefore, Voldemort being in that "smaller baby-like body" was probably worse than dead, because he had virtually no soul left - no substance to him - just a body in space. As for Harry touching his scar, I'll wait to respond to that |
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03-02-2008, 07:12 PM
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Samantha Rose Magical Education | After the horcruxes were destroyed and the Avada Kedavra was thrown back at him by Harry, I doubt there is much left of Voldemort to save. BUT, if there were even a fractual piece of him left with any degree of intelligence, any type of life at all, I would think it would somehow find a way to let someone know, one of the Death Eaters or at least someone who had the potential to become a Death Eater. That's just Voldemort himself. Unless someone had accidentally found the little bit that was left of him at some point, I suppose it's possible. As for Harry touching his scar, well, maybe one of those things happened and after 19 years, the whole mess starts up all over again. Maybe Voldemort is something that can never die, truly immortal, and will always come back.
Just a thought! |
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03-05-2008, 09:50 PM
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Richard Blake Ministry Security | I Voldemort was vanquished and gone for good. I doubt he's out there hiding again. I really liked Voldemort and Harry's final showdown because it wasnt a case of Harry dodging voldemorts spells or being bullied, Harry standing up to him and telling him whats what. But i find it interesting how Voldemort reacts to Harry saying this is your last chance try for some remourse for once.
As to what they did with his body I think they say they put it in an antechamber away from the bodies of lupin tonks fred etc. But that is the question, what do you do with the body of a tyranical dictator? Im really curious as to how he achieved the form he was in when Wormtail puts him in the cauldron in the graveyard. The sort of child like one with raw reddish skin. Maybe some form of possesion ?
Also the idea of a soul appears throughout the series dementors, horcruxes etc but I was curious as to what Jo thinks a soul is. In my opinion it would seem to be your personality and mind. Its hard to describe its such an abstract concept. |
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03-06-2008, 03:56 AM
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Im really curious as to how he achieved the form he was in when Wormtail puts him in the cauldron in the graveyard. The sort of child like one with raw reddish skin. Maybe some form of possesion ?
| The childlike form that Voldemort took when Wormtail put him into the cauldron for rebirth was the same as the form seen in Deathly Hallows, "Kings Cross". It is a symbol of how by destroying his soul so many times, he has belittled himself. At least that's what I take it to mean...
Anyway, I just had this random thought about Voldemort weird, i know xD ... and I HAD to post. It came from posting in the revolving games thread, actually
So anyway, we know that it is really risky to put your soul into a living thing. At least that's what Dumbledore speculates, which is why he also thought it would be strange for the snake to be a horcrux. But Nagini did turn out to be a Horcrux. And what's more interesting is that by accident, Voldie split his soul AGAIN and put a piece inside Harry. When Voldie thought to have killed Harry - Harry was in a sort of limbo between life and death. Harry chose to have that piece of Voldie's soul die and come back. What if Nagini, since she is a living thing, chose death? Could that mean that the portion of soul within Nagini is still living someplace in a sort of limbo? |
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03-19-2008, 06:53 PM
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Richard Blake Ministry Security | Yeah i did think that the red child in the graveyard is representative of his mangled soul but in kings cross it was a border between life and death wasnt it so i thought the souls weren't corporeal but then again the child form in the graveyard might be so weak that the spirit has manifested itself in to the physical. |
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03-19-2008, 08:23 PM
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Samantha Rose Magical Education | Imagine if that piece of Nagini's soul is still living in limbo someplace. Wow, what could happen if that happened to find itself into the wrong hands? You never know... |
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03-20-2008, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Fox Imagine if that piece of Nagini's soul is still living in limbo someplace. Wow, what could happen if that happened to find itself into the wrong hands? You never know... | I'm assuming you mean that the piece of Voldemort's soul that was in Nagini... and yes, if it was found in the wrong hands, then it could be interesting. Especially since the connection between Voldemort and Harry has been destroyed; the only thing Harry has going for him is that he is now the 'master of death', since he possessed all the horcruxes. |
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03-22-2008, 04:22 AM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: srimathi srivatsan | whoa.all though all the horcruxees were desteoyed voldemort would have hidden one of his part of the soul somewhere else...just a thought.and then maybe he would find some deatheater or some one like quirrell to help him back to life.also the part about the part of his soul in nagini is really good.may be like jess said it must have been in a limbo between life and death and like dumbledore maybe bellatrix helped it come back to life  |
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05-16-2008, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Slytherin Fox What do you think happened to Voldemort's body? It was kinda propped up there in Hogworts while the cleaning went on, then nothing else was said of it. Are we sure there were only 7 horcruxes? Do you see Voldemort dying like that, because Dumbledore said to Tom Riddle in OotP that there are things worse than death, which may have referred to Voldemort's sub-life while without a body for 13 years. Wouldn't it have been worse for Voldemort to be in that state than dead?
Also, at the end of the epilogue it says this "he lowered his hand absentmindedly and touched the lightning scar on his forehead." Then it ends: "The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years". The past tense in the word HAD, the scar had not pained him in nineteen years, so why did he absentmindley touch his scar? Had he been doing this all along or just this time? It may have something to do with Voldemort because of the past tense HAD not, and IF he had not been touching his scar all that 19 years, why now? | It's true that there are things worse then death and Voldemort would deserve to stay in a state that would refrain him from dying, but also, he would be better off not living because of all the pain he had caused so many people. If he wasn't really alive while he was reeking all that havoc, then who's to say that he couldn't still do it when he was dead? He could become something like a ghost.
And maybe Harry was just so used to touching his scar that he did it absentmindedly. His scar was not only a connection to the Dark Lord, but also a connection to his parents. |
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05-16-2008, 02:39 PM
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| I'm not entirely sure that what happened to his body is the real key issue. I always pondered more on what would happen to his spirit. After all, upon first vanquishing he didn't exactly leave. One would have thought that he would have slipped into an afterlife of sorts, or simply dissappeared depending on one's own religeous beliefs. Perhaps the earth bound spirit he became after first vanquishing did in fact carry connotations of his unfinished business. It's left open to the reader to decipher whether real and true death would complete his business, or perhaps simply bind him to the human condition once again. Although that does pose the question of what happened to the spirit. Maybe, in some bizarre and quite absrtract way it rejoined what had been taken from him and took it's place inside Harry? It could help guide him to the man he became and help the memories stay with him. I don't claim to be omnipotent or anything. Just a humble thought  |
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