Hmm...Well its obvious that they hated one another. As for why it developed, I imagine it is because of James and his friends persistent teasing. I understand that when you are young you don't realize the damage and discomfort that you could be causing someone when you constantly tease them. I know that Snape might have come off as stuck up, and weird, because of the way he secluded himself from everyone else, but that is still no reason to hate him. It was only normal for Severus to try and defend himself when he was being ridiculed and teased, and James would have been a fool to think that he wouldn't have. James I'm sure just enjoyed watching him get all flustered and frustrated, and, also like Siriana said he didn't agree with Snapes beliefs. The hate between them also grew after James saved Snapes life. The mere fact that he was still alive because of James' warning, made Snape livid, and made him hate James even more. He must have been thinking, why after all of these years, is he all of a sudden so ready to save me from danger, when he has constantly been making my life a living hell? Its confusing and I think Snape was just irritated that James could act like he hated him on one side and then save him on another simply just because he didn't want to feel guilty with the consequences that would have followed, if Snape would have been killed. Perhaps Snape even saw that as cowardly. Not being able to live with the decisions of ones actions.

As for Snape being jealous, I suppose he was in a way, but I don't think he ever wanted to be James. I don't think he coveted his life so much that he wanted to become James. I just think he was angry, because James could be a total jerk and people still liked him. If Snape behaved like James, people would probably make even more fun of him. I'm sure Snape wished that he could be more likeable by everyone and that James would just leave him alone, but I don't really think that Snape was ever jealous of him. I just think he hated him for always picking on him. I may be contradicting myself but whatever.

As for Lily, I don't think Snape ever liked Lily, and when JK said that Snape has loved someone I honestly don't think its her. Who know who it could be. But Snape hated James, and I believe it was just because of the way he treated him. If James would have been nice to Snape or maybe not even acknowledged that he was alive, everything would have been peachy king.

i think that quote is her just trying to cover up her love for a rebel! lol... but seriously James was a child until his 7th year, when, as Moony put it, or was it Sirius? : She didn't like him until he deflated his head a bit," lol.... i love that, altho it's not the exact quote, but close enough for me!

Perhaps Dumbe placed James as head boy because he knew that nothing would be able to get passed him. He himself (James) is a prankster so spotting someone who is up to no good would be a breeze for him. He knows what to look for and also perhaps he was put as head boy because many people liked him. When you are liked by people they are less likely to behave in a way that is unacceptable. They don't want to disappoint you or put you in a position that would be uncomfortable. I'm sure there are better ideas but that's just what I think.

As BrightestWitch said, making James HB was like "keeping your enemies close". James would have to report everything that was going on to Dumbledore and he would have less time to spend on pranks as he would have a lot of duties to perform. Besides, Albus knew that if he would entrust James with this much power, James would try not to disappoint the Headmaster and live up to his duties.

*grins* That's a good point. His own experience with pulling pranks gave him the expertise to notice the subtleties of other potential pranksters. Now, about your opinion about people being less likely to behave in a way that is unacceptable...I tend to disagree up to a point. Sure, many will do as you said and not act out, but there are some who would take advantage of the fact that James was Head Boy; believing that since he was their friend, he wouldn't get them in any trouble, but I suppose those types of people were taken into consideration by Dumbledore and he thought them not to be a risk to what he was hoping to teach James.

I agree with Ithilien. I believe that Dumbledore did indeed make James Head Boy to teach him some responsibility. I suppose it was his way of telling James that he needed to stop being so...James-like

i think dumbeldore was just tryign to be fair and vary who was head boy and who was head girl..and because he knew james had petentioal to be great.

ducking tomatoes that are sure to come my way, I have no idea why James was made headboy, his actions should have kept him from becoming headboy, Remus should have been headboy (out of the characters from that time that we know) and the argument that he was a warewolf kept him from becoming headboy doesn't hold water since no one except dd, snivilous and his friends knew of his condition.

Jelously is deeply routed! It can grow for so many reasons and I think Stacey got them square on the head with this comment:

In my mind these are sure reasons for somebody to have such hatred against someone. There is the clashing of them being in different houses (Not only that but houses that just will never get on together), we all know that alot of people loved Lily and I believe Snape is no exception to this!

Also on the arrogance matter, to me Snape seems the kind of person to not take what anyone else sais as anything to be bothered about! He is too much of an independant person and hesimply does not opperate with other people well! So why would he stop to try to like James if he already has him mind set to it?

Do you think that James and Lily suspected one of there friends would betray them the night that Voldemort attacked. If so is that why they had a secret keeper in place? I have pondered this question since Harry found out about the secret keeper. I will be back on Monday and can't wait to get your take on this. All SS rules apply. Have a great weekend.

I think that James and Lily knew that Wormtail was the one that had betrayed them but that they did not let Sirius know thinking that he would over react and get in to trouble. James and Lily made Sirius there secret keeper. Then by not telling Sirius he assumed that Wormtail was o.k. Then like in the book Sirius thought that Voldemort would go after him and he made wormtail secret keeper.Not really knowing that James and Lily did not trust him. I hope that makes sense it did in my head anyway lol. That is what I think happened I can't wait to read all of yours.

Great topic Oona!!!

We know that James and Lily trusted Sirius enough to make him the Godfather of Harry and to make him their Secret Keeper. What we also know is that at the last minute, Sirius changed his mind and convenced the two to use Peter instead. With this, James, Lily and Siruis trusted Peter enough but never suspected that he would become so weak that he would turn against the Marauders.

Also at this time, Remus was suspected of being the one who was betraying them, not Peter, so that is a yes to your first answer. This is why Dumbledore suggested the Potter's have a Secret Keeper so that only one person would know where they were in case of an emergency. Sirius learned what happened when he went to check on Peter in his secret post and found that he was missing with no signs of struggle, thus is how he figured that Peter betrayed James and Lily. He went to Godric's Hollow and found the house along with the bodies of James and Lily destroyed. *has been reading POA once again*

I think that Lily and James are like Ron and Hermione they played at a relationship until both were mature enough to handle the actual thing. I think that they both liked each other even though they didn't seem to get along. It is that thing in first grade remember: why does he pick on me. because he likes you and that is the begining of the relationship. Same thing with Lily and James. She paid way to much attention to what he was doing and who he was with. I think she protested to much she loved him the whole time.

I agree Stacey, I think that Lily and James were surprised when moldymort showed up on that very sad night <sniffle> Everyone was thinking that it was Remus who was the spy and so left him out of the loop. Everyone, including those who were supposed to be his best friends, doubted that Peter would have the stones to do anything for moldymort and so they never suspected him.

These replies are all great I hope that you will continue here without me. I have to be away from a computer until Monday. I am going to camp with my neice. I hope that you all have fun here at SS while I am sleeping out side in a tent lol. Just kidding it should be fun but I will miss you guys bunches. See you all when I get back.

What I don't get is if Remus was the prefect and James wasn't, then how could James possibly be head boy? Do you think this was a mistake by JK or do you think there was an extra part to the story?

im not quite sure but if he was there must be some more to the story

see if u can find it and send it in it would be good to look at

I am starting this discussion thread because I am curious about everyone's theories about how the Marauders began. We have some fantastic Role Players here and so, are very imaginative. Once they came together, were they just another group of friends or did they impact the school in a significant way?

I look forward to what you guys have to say.

Lumus

I just wanted to check back in and thank you all for coming in here. I am intrested in your theories. I think even if they would have known that Peter was a spy after all that they had been through together James thought that he could trust him.

Lumus!!

I have to say that James and Sirius became friends after they were sorted into Gryffindor. To me, they seem like they became an instant friendship with no hesitations. To me, they are too close to not be the first to form a friendship.

With Remus, I think that his friendship with James and Sirius came at a later point. The reason for me saying this is because, if I were a werewolf and did not want anyone to know, I would keep to myself and away from everyone. If Remus did not do that, then Sirius and James would have figured it out sooner than they did.

As far as Peter goes, he is a loner and just popped up once the boys started hanging out together, that is Sirius, James and Remus. If Peter was not sorted into Gryffindor (which JKR has not clearly stated yet but it is a wise guess), then he never would have been in the "in crowd" with the Marauders. He was there because they shared a dorm room together and he was in on their secrets. Can you tell that I am not too fond of Peter?

HMMMM, I think that James and Sirius met on the train (like Harry and Ron) and some sort of incedent bonded them. I think that Remus was involved, being picked on maybe by a stronger person, and James and Sirius jumped to his defense. This bonded them as defenders of the weak, and introduded them to Remus. As Stacey said, Remus was probably withdrawn and shy and hard to get to know and so James and Sirius grew closer and closer as Remus grew to trust them. I think that Peter was just a hanger on kinda like Neville, James and Sirius just put up with Peter because he was the 4th boy in their dorm room, and didn't want to see him destroyed by the Slytherins.