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07-05-2006, 11:31 PM
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Welcome to our first topic and I know that it has been a well requested one, James and Lily. Here we will discuss their relationship before and after Hogwarts along with their endings.
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07-06-2006, 12:46 AM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Nicole Third | Well,their is one boy I know who I absolutely hated last year, and now we're best friends. It happened like that for Lily, but it just took longer. I think James wasn't mature enough for her until her 7th year. That was when he became responsible and they fell in love. James always loved Lily more than any other girl, ever since he laid eyes on her. He may have dated other girls, but Lily was the only one he truly cared about. I could keep going on for hours and hours about their love, everything James did for Lily, and how they died *tear* too soon, but I'll stop now. I just love James, Lily, and James' love for Lily!!! |
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07-06-2006, 10:22 AM
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| As GrennDayGirl9293 said before me, James was not mature enough or not really Lily's type until later. But it might also be true that Lily herself was not ready for a relationship but in her last years of school. Or maybe she had some fancy of her own earlier in life, and had no eyes for that little brat of a Potter.  |
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07-06-2006, 10:42 AM
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Corranda Melvicks / Royda Dames Special Ops | Amazing Topic, Stacey =D Classy First Topic, Stacey. *sticks out tongue* I've a lot to say on this topic, but I've already said it all in the JPFC before. So I'll just do some Copy/ Pasting here.
I think Lily felt James was really proud. I mean, if James had been more - err - "mature," I'm sure she wouldn't have rejected all his proposals to go out with him. It was clear he really loved her and Lily knew that. But she also didn’t' want to associate herself with someone who always called her "Evans" and didn't seem to realize she had a first name, hexed people for fun, showed off and did everything she disliked.
Once he became Head Boy, he must have changed his ways a bit. As Sirius and Remus said in Order of Phoenix - he stopped hexing people just because he was bored and needed some excitement. He might also have stopped showing off, become a bit more humble and stopped asking Lily out every time he saw her. And there is a possibility he might have realized she had a first name too. I think she would always have accepted him if he had been ready to change some of the habits she dislikes. When he did decide to change some of his habits, she accepted that he really did love her and that she was better off with him after all.
James wasn't exactly someone who would change girlfriends every other week. He had fallen for Lily and he truly loved her. But what made him even more attracted towards Lily was the fact that she never did pay any attention to him - I bet every other girl fell for his muscular built [Yeah, he probably had it, seeing he was on the Quidditch Team and everything], his wind-swept hair, his brilliancy at the Quidditch Pitch and his lovely eyes. Lily was one of the few that remained unaffected. And she didn't just remain unaffected – She hated his behaviour. So he stalked her even more and even though she was really annoyed, she never took any "real" measures. I mean if I hated someone who stalked me night and day as much as Lily appeared to have hated James, I'd pay the Headmaster a visit and put a stop to it all.
So maybe Lily actually enjoyed the attention and even liked him a bit, but she wasn't ready to go out someone who kept calling her Evans and cursing others just because he and his best friends needed a bit of excitements. Once he matured, she was ready to love him back. She always had been but the real problem had been James’ attitude – To a certain extent.
Another great theory, which I support along with the one above and which initially Stacey came up with, is that Lily actually liked him but didn't show it, because she aslo felt that he was a big-headed show-off. This is what I posted in the JPFc regarding it:
Let's see – In the Pensieve, Lily isn't exactly nice to James. She is trying to stick for Snivellus. Then Snape call her a Mud-Blood and she turns sour towards him too. Could it be that she loathes Snape but, since she doesn't want James to know she loves him deep down, she sticks up for him? But she begins to realize it wouldn't do her any good. So she turns just as sour towards Snape but still finds it an excellent excuse to try and hate James that he hexes others for fun. Maybe she thinks James is extremely talented too and maybe she thinks he's really cool – And since she knows she herself has a brilliant personality she doesn't want to show she loves him. Or maybe she just enjoys knowing that he loves her so much that he’ll stalk her even if she insults him in front of everyone.
In her seventh year, she decides she's pretended long enough - She's tired of trying to hate him. If this is the case, we can say she's as luck an opportunist as possible - Because when she wanted to hate James, she had excuses to do that. And now that she decides she's not going to try to hate him anymore, James suddenly turns good which is just the excuse she needs to go hook up with him. 
I hope that explains what I feel on this topic to everyone. EDIT: It has been confirmed - I'm the third to post in this thread. Lol. *rolls around cheerily* EDIT 2: Note for Lily Evans: You may have won the battle, but the war isn't over yet.
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07-06-2006, 11:05 AM
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Tessa Maria Kensington | i think that he was alwyas lily's type...and that she just hadn't seen it yet. that maybe she had grown up too fast and she didn't know what it was lke to be young and careless like james. I think the way he acted scared her and that is why she ran forom him instead of towards him. But its just my opinon. |
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07-06-2006, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bri i think that he was alwyas lily's type...and that she just hadn't seen it yet. that maybe she had grown up too fast and she didn't know what it was lke to be young and careless like james. I think the way he acted scared her and that is why she ran forom him instead of towards him. But its just my opinon. | I don't think she was "scared," as you put it. Maybe she just didn't like violence and wanted him to mature. Grow up a bit, stop hexing everyone and all that. The scared part is a bit, well, odd. But then again, that is just my point of view. *loves on Bri*
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07-06-2006, 04:52 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Beck First | I'm more of the she had to grow up a bit line of thinking. I was trying to remember being 11 (will not say how long ago that was) and i remember "likeing" a certain boy and having crushes but there is no way that i fell in love with anyone at that age. I think Lily probably did have a crush on James but knew that he was too much of a twit at that age to waste her time on him then. Later when she saw that he had started to grow up (finally) she was ready to give him a chance. |
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07-07-2006, 12:39 PM
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Corranda Melvicks / Royda Dames Special Ops | JPFC Topic #2: The Ideal Foes - James Versus Snape The Ideal Foes:
- James Versus Snape - What are your views on the James/ Snape "relation"? When, how && why did it develop? Was Snape really Jealous? [Yeah, like he wasn't] Or was it just James' own arrogance and tendency to hex everyone who annoyed him in the least bit? Let's come up with some theories – and see what others have come up with, too.
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07-07-2006, 12:41 PM
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Tessa Maria Kensington | i think that snape was jealuse of jame's life and that was one of the reasons they hated each other and i think snape liked lily too and that he hated the fact that james loved her too. but the fact that james hexed random people had to have started part of it as well. i think it was a bucnh of stuff all mixed together. |
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07-07-2006, 01:34 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Moira Anne Weasley Fifth | I think that Snape was jelaous of James he was popular and he had Lily. I think that Snape wanted to be more like James and he knew that it would never happen. I think that given the chance he and Lily could have been friends but James kept that from happening so that is just another reason why they where always fighting between one another. Then you bring into play the one time that Snape might have actually been hurt by their pranking and he could not stand the fact after all the fighting that James had been the one to save him. |
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07-07-2006, 04:00 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Caleum Myers Graduated Ministry RPG Name:
Madison Myers Magical Transportation | #1 - Gryffindor vs. Slytherin
#2 - Lily
#3 - Arrogance
These are the three reasons as to why I believe that Snape was not fond of James and vice versa. Gryffindors and Slytherins have never gotten along in the past or the future and well, they probably never will. I am not sure if this was the thing that triggered it or not between them but I am sure that it played a major factor within.
I also believe that Lily was another reason for Snape to hate James the way he did. I have believed for a long time that Snape had a huge crush on our dear Lily and was quite upset at the fact she gave Jamiekins a chance. But I am not too sure if James realized that Snape had a crush on Lily. Men are a little nieve when it comes to stuff like that...they have told me so themselves!!
Thirdly, James' big head was a key factor too. He played Quidditch and was a star of Hogwarts along with his best mate, Sirius Black. Together they picked on the runts of the school and I am sure that at age 11, Snape was a rather small boy with greasy hair.  James thought it would be funny to pick on this unusual boy and so together he and Sirius did just that!! James noticed that the girls were starting to pay more attention to him in the latter years and thus he kept it up.
Now I will ask a question here, how do you think it all started between Snape, James and the rest of the Marauders? It had to have started somewhere! |
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07-07-2006, 04:43 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Beck First | I think it started on the train or at sorting (like harry and draco). snape, who had a bad life and childhood sawsomeone who he might want to be friends with. i think the reaction with james was automatic. like when u meet someone for the first time and u just don't like them, no reason really just don't. so james rebuffed snape but was friends with a whiner like peter and snape couldn't understand why. the relationship went down hill after that culminating in james saving his life.
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07-08-2006, 12:50 AM
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I also believe that Lily was another reason for Snape to hate James the way he did. I have believed for a long time that Snape had a huge crush on our dear Lily and was quite upset at the fact she gave Jamiekins a chance. But I am not too sure if James realized that Snape had a crush on Lily. Men are a little nieve when it comes to stuff like that...they have told me so themselves!!  | Now this is an interesting observation, but it does make me wonder...what if James indeed knew that Snape had a crush on Lily? Would he have tried harder to win Lily's affection because of his animosity towards Snape? It would have been like a sort of motivation to take away anything that Snape enjoyed just to make his life miserable. Of course James loved Lily, but he could have had an ulterior motive in his pursuit of her; such as enjoying Snape's reaction when he discovered that James and Lily were together. Quote: |
Now I will ask a question here, how do you think it all started between Snape, James and the rest of the Marauders? It had to have started somewhere!
| I think it might started with just James and Snape. The two could have met up somewhere, such as on the train or at the sorting as Beck mentioned, and took an immediate dislike to each other...sort of judging a book by its cover. Perhaps they didn't even give each other a chance to show their true personality. The fact that Snape wasn't exactly the most popular boy in school probably further spurred the Marauders dislike of him, although I'm not sure why. People are strange like that...with popularity and cliques and such. As for the rest of the Marauders...well I think they just took their cue from James. If James didn't like Snape, the others didn't like Snape and didn't even bother giving Snape a chance. |
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07-08-2006, 09:47 AM
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Corranda Melvicks / Royda Dames Special Ops | What I believe is that it was as much James's fault as Snape – Okay, maybe not so much [Yeah, right], but both were at fault – And there's no denying that.
To begin with, Snape had had a bad childhood. I don’t' think his parents [read: Father] ever encouraged him to do anything. His father, as far as my thinking goes, abused him – Sort of – and badly neglected him. Snape wanted vengeance, I guess - No wonder he began to love the Dark Arts so much. He also wanted to prove himself.
Now, James – He was talented, handsome, and good at studies, "the height of cool" and so on. He was also spoiled. He despised the Dark Arts. In other words, he was the exact opposite of Severus Snape.
Then began the rivalry, I guess. James had a habit of cursing everyone who annoyed him. Imagine Snape, infuriated and jealous of James, trying his best to pick on James. Now, James couldn't have stood that. Not at all. [Duh.] So he simply hexed Snape who, what his jealousy and everything, hexed him back. And so it began. While everyone else tried their best not to get into a fight with James, Snape went out of his way to pick a row with James, merely so that he could show James he was better.
That's how it began, methinks. And since Snape was always ready to murder James, James was always ready to retaliate. As a result, they became the ideal enemies.
There is a lot more I want to say right now but I don't have time to. I'll be back - I still have to tell everyone what I think about the James/ Lily/ Snape Triangle.
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07-08-2006, 12:27 PM
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#1 - Gryffindor vs. Slytherin
#2 - Lily
#3 - Arrogance
These are the three reasons as to why I believe that Snape was not fond of James and vice versa. Gryffindors and Slytherins have never gotten along in the past or the future and well, they probably never will. I am not sure if this was the thing that triggered it or not between them but I am sure that it played a major factor within.
I also believe that Lily was another reason for Snape to hate James the way he did. I have believed for a long time that Snape had a huge crush on our dear Lily and was quite upset at the fact she gave Jamiekins a chance. But I am not too sure if James realized that Snape had a crush on Lily. Men are a little nieve when it comes to stuff like that...they have told me so themselves!!
Thirdly, James' big head was a key factor too. He played Quidditch and was a star of Hogwarts along with his best mate, Sirius Black. Together they picked on the runts of the school and I am sure that at age 11, Snape was a rather small boy with greasy hair. James thought it would be funny to pick on this unusual boy and so together he and Sirius did just that!! James noticed that the girls were starting to pay more attention to him in the latter years and thus he kept it up.
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07-09-2006, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxie Now, James – He was talented, handsome, and good at studies, "the height of cool" and so on. He was also spoiled. He despised the Dark Arts. In other words, he was the exact opposite of Severus Snape. | I think that was definitely part of it as well and I also think Lily was a factor because it seemed as if Snape liked Lily too and was jealous that she eventually ended up with James. Maxie, in my opinion had another point that I agree with; they were both at fault, James with his hexing and Snape with always retaliating and determination to show James up. |
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07-10-2006, 03:07 AM
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Orbit Keith Winnfield Magical Law Enforcement | Well, I really can't say much about their relationship. But I expect their rivalry was from the start like it was with Harry and Draco. They are opposite poles. I also think, like certain name origins suggested at mugglenet, that they really fought over lily. James was always smarter, quicker and better at loads of things, and that did cause a struggle between them - atleast that's what I wanna think !  |
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Cassie Alexandersson First | I think Lily thought that his 'puppy love' would go away, because most people dont fall in love at the age of eleven. I dont think she was as harsh as people think she is towards James, I think she is a little more mature than the standards they hold her to. If James had not slacked in teh mature department, I think they would have gotten together faster. |
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07-10-2006, 03:11 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Cassie Alexandersson First | I think Snape was jelous, but not as jelous as James makes it seem. Also James does have a big head and is very arrogant [so we have read/heard] so that was also a main factor. |
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07-10-2006, 11:47 PM
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Madison Myers Magical Transportation | Okay here is a thought!! There are two reasons why I see James as Head Boy:
#1 - for him to obviously grow up but I wonder if there was more....
#2 - Someone was sick and tired of watching these two running in circles around each other that they placed them together (Dumbledore) and knew that they were perfect for each other!! I would have done it...heck I would have been the first one there clapping and saying "It's about time!!!"
As I have said before, for someone who said she did not like James, she surely watched him closely and knew every move he made. I will have to find my quote again....*runs and grabs quote* Edit: I found it
Okay, I had to go back and read one of my favorite chapters in the whole HP series, Chapter 28 - Snapes Worst Memory in OoTP. There was a part in there were and I quote Lily on this: Quote: |
"Messing up your hair because you think it looks cool to look like you've just got off your broomstick, showing off with that stupid Snitch, walking down corridors and hexing anyone who annoys you just because you can - I'm surprised your broomstick can get off the ground with that fat head on it. You make me SICK."
| Okay, this is during the time that Sirius and James have hexed Snivelly and turned him upside down. Wow! She sure does notice ALOT about a boy she does not care for!!  And he was just playing with the Snitch too!!
Tell me what your thought are on this quote!!
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07-12-2006, 07:46 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Madeline Elizabeth Linavera Fourth | I think that James just really liked to play pranks, and Snape was easy to take control of an play pranks on! To him, it probably seemed like the most hilarious thing in the world! I agree!  | |