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Old 11-23-2006, 02:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation Lucius - has he ever killed anyone?

Or is he too cowardly? He doesnt seem the type to kill, ie i think draco is trying to be like his father yes... but in the end draco couldn't kill DD. I don't think lucius could kill anyone i think hes all talk... what do you think?
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think he could, i think at some time during their service to Voldie, they would have to show their loyalty to him, most probably by killing someone. I don't think there would be much choice.

I mean if you want to get somewhere with a leader who wants power and will get it by any means, even if that means slaughtering, then i think they would.
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Old 11-26-2006, 02:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This goes in to a long theroy of mine, and Harry potter. The basic of this part of the thory is

There is somthing in draco, that is not in his father. Lusius killed someone and would freely kill someone else, but a soft ness in draco will come to play at some point in The 7th book. A life will be saved at the hands of draco, but whos?

So lucius is a cold blood killer even if draco is not.
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I believe Voldemort only marks those that pass specific tests that he administers. I don't think he's mark anyone that couldn't perform all three Unforgiveable Curses. I have no doubt in my mind that Lucius has killed someone, if not many people, before. He was ready to do it in CoS just after Harry freed Dobby. He was halfway through uttering it before Dobby threw him back. If he's that willing to do it in public, even more so in a school, there's no doubt he'd do it anywhere. As for Draco, I think Voldemort branded him (if he truely did) just to play with his food before he ate it. He knows that Draco doesn't have it in him to kill anyone. I think that's something he can sense in a person. He's just having Draco do those tasks because he know he can't do them and he's punishing Lucius for failing him so many times. Knowing that Draco can't accomplish what he's set out to do, he'd have to kill him.
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Old 11-29-2006, 12:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Excellent point, SlytherinSissa!

I most definitely agree! I would be extremely surprised if I found out he hadn't murdered anyone...
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think Lucius has the capability to execute someone, but only if someone else has already subdued that person and only if someone was watching. Lucius doesn't have the courage to do something like that all by himself.
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I’m in two minds about this. The certainly is evil enough and I have no doubt that he has order the killings of many people. But he does seem quite cowardly and more concerned about having nothing coming back to him. The way that he has kept the appearance of an upstanding member of the wizarding community for many years, it seems like they could never pin anything on him. I think the word “slippery” sums him up quite well.

However, I can see him committing many of the Muggle killings that happened. That would seem like great sport to him. Especially if he had his Death Eater mask on. And also killing for his own gain. But if it came to attacking a fully grown wizard on his own accord with no mask to hide behind, I think that he is way too much of a coward. He likes to look big and clever, but when it comes down to it, he likes easy targets.

I think that he has killed, but I think that they would be “easy” killings, as in they would not give his game away and also he would not be personally at risk.
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Wow, very interesting.

SytherinSissa had a VERY good point. Voldermort wouldn't give the mark to just anyone. Lucius Malfoy isn't exactly someone you would want to meet in a dark alley.

Also, I believe Lucius WOULD in fact, kill under the right circumstances.
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I think tha Lucius is all talk but i think he has the power to kill someone if he really hated the person. like in book/movie 2 when harry set Dobby free i belive that if Dobby didn't send Lucius flying that Lucius would have killed Harry.
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He killled Muggles for fun, didn't he?
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I dunno. Lucius seems very evil... I think he could be the next Lord Voldie!!
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^Well maybe not the next Vodie, but he's DEFIANTLY evil
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Lucius is a Death Eater but I don't think there is any examples in the book of him killing any one. Lucius was present during the Battle of the Department of Mysteries as the apparent leader of the squad sent to recover a crucial prophecy from Harry. But again he didn't kill anyone. I don't think Lucius is a murderer - I don't think he cares if others are killed - but he doesn't want to get his own hands dirty.

This doesn't mean he isn't evil though. Luicius is in love with the power he has and what his influence and money can get him. Through giving money to charitable causes and the Ministry of Magic, Lucius has become very well connected and frequently uses his political influence to further his own ends. At one time, Lucius Malfoy was a governor of Hogwarts.

I'm sure he is having a horrible time is Azkaban where for once who he is does not matter!
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Even though it doesnt say so in the books i definitly think that he has killed at least one person, he is almost as evil as Voldie and a Death Eather.
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I think he's killed before, and I'm pretty sure he'd killed again. All I know is that I was very disappointed that he didn't get killed.
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I dont think he would. I know hes evil and stuff but hes not THAT evil.
On wikipedia for his crimes, it says:
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Wikipedia can be wrong, but i think its right this time.
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I dont think he would have killed anyone unless he had to. He just doesnt seem the type to kill for fun.
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That's a good point Caity, but those crimes that you posted are the only crimes of Lucius' that we actually SEE in the books. There could be many, many more: just as an example, we know Voldemort killed more people than we saw or heard of in the books. There just isn't any way for JK Rowling to show every single occasion.

Theoretically {because we have no way to know for sure -- unless we ask JKR herself!}, I personally think this is the case for Lucius too. I have to agree with the majority in that Lucius would have had to have used the Killing Curse, on at least one occasion, to prove his loyalty to Voldemort. I don't know if I see a soft side in him at all .. he is cruel, cold, unforgiving, and honestly evil. I can see him killing for fun, killing to feed his ego and his superiority complex, killing to preserve the "master race" that he believes is the Pureblood. Further, like it was brought up earlier, we see several times that he is bordering on speaking an Unforgivable -- I'm sure there were many times in the past when no distractions came in to stop him from doing so.
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Theoretically {because we have no way to know for sure -- unless we ask JKR herself!}, I personally think this is the case for Lucius too. I have to agree with the majority in that Lucius would have had to have used the Killing Curse, on at least one occasion, to prove his loyalty to Voldemort. I don't know if I see a soft side in him at all .. he is cruel, cold, unforgiving, and honestly evil. I can see him killing for fun, killing to feed his ego and his superiority complex, killing to preserve the "master race" that he believes is the Pureblood. Further, like it was brought up earlier, we see several times that he is bordering on speaking an Unforgivable -- I'm sure there were many times in the past when no distractions came in to stop him from doing so.
I agree. I can't really say anything else b'cause it's all been said ^^
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That's a very interesting question...hmmm...my answer is yes. But in the very early days of serving the Dark Lord. I think he wanted to make his master proud, but after a while realised what killing does to a person.
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Yeah, I agree, I mean he was more than willing to kill in OOTP in the ministry and if someone is in Voldemort's inner circle then I think they will have killed someone as I think is the case with Snape (Killing someone other than Dumbledore that is).
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personally i wouldent be surprised if he had because just because draco couldnt kill any1 doesnt mean his father couldnt you don't always have to be like your parents
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Haha. Probably... then hid in his huge closet. xD
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I think that fanfiction has "shown" us a softer side of Lucius that is not present in canon.

Fanfiction Lucius is not canon Lucius. Lucius in the books is cruel, although he does stop fighting at one point in TDH - but only to look for his son. While this is commendable, it does not mean he has never killed anyone.

Lucius almost indirectly killed Ginny - and he knew he might have. At the time, Ginny had basically just turned eleven. If he can allow an eleven year old to be put under the influence of dark magic, he can kill.
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I would very much doubt that Lucius would've held the high position as Death Eater that he did without murdering somebody along the way, at some point.
The books just don't show this.

In the book, however, it doesn't specify exactly what kind of attack Lucius threw at Harry after he freed Dobby, but merely that he lunged at Harry - the halfway uttered "Avada .." curse is only in the movie, which I don't consider to be canon.
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