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09-30-2011, 10:45 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Originally Posted by Lilith Night I don't think all Slytherins are bad. Slytherin traits are as follows:
1)Ambitious which means having a strong desire to succeed. Which I think isn't something to be seen as wrong.
2)Shrewd - sharp in practical matters and can also mean preceptive as well as intelligent, but also discriminating. It can also mean to be sly or deceitful. This one to me is the only one that sounds bad, but only somewhat as intelligence and perceptiveness isn't bad at all. Let's face it, most Slytherins could get their shrewdness from their parents because of their wealth and pure-blood. That doesn't mean however that all Slytherins share this trait.
3)Cunning which pretty much means skilled and sly.
4)Strong leaders which I think is self explanatory.
5)Clever is another way of saying quick and witty as well as original and skillful.
6)Resourceful which pretty much means you know how to make do with what you got and you can easily adapt when the situation changes.
7)Determination. Harry knew he had to beat the Dark Lord so that's what he worked for. Which isn't bad.
8)"a certain disregard for the rules."
So aside from shrewd, the Slytherin traits aren't evil or bad at all. The people in that House set the example for how everyone else sees them. The only Syltherins we hear about throughout the entire series aren't the nicest people, but then you see Slughorn and he's not a mean guy. Maybe a little misguided, but not bad. Regulus, even though he was only quickly mentioned and a Death Eater, we know that he cared very much for Kreacher and tried to help stop Voldemort. I also think somewhere that I saw Tonk's mother was placed in Slytherin and she married a Muggle and from the sound of it she wasn't at all a mean or bad person.
I just think JKR only wanted to give one side of Slytherins because she wanted us to detest Malfoy and cheer for Harry to win. I, however, would have really liked if she made a character from Slytherin that wasn't all doom and gloom and filled with hate (with an exception of Snape towards the end), just to say that not all Slytherins are horrible people. All I can think as to why she didn't was maybe it wasn't an essential part of Harry's story. Kudos! I seond that. I agree completetly and I doubt I could say much more, but just to help dislodge any doubt that may still cling to peoples minds:
1 They are children. Children aren't like that. True, there are rare cases in real life where a child came up very cold, but these news cases are very rare. There are more than 100 Slytherins at Hogwarts, more than one hundred children.( Rowling noted that she imagines Hogwarts having 600 students, so there are probably 150 Slytherins.) The few people who say that Slytherins are bad are basing what they say on a small minority. We are shown less than 10 Slytherin students in the series, out of a much larger number. Some people WANT to say that Slytherin is an evil house. I think this is because they are used to reading books made up of black and white, and they want to see the "villians", even if that means saying that children are villians. It is understandable when very young children think that(Although most fans who are children know better!), but it is disturbing when adults think they are evil. I find it very disturbing that there were adults in the theater of Deathly Hallows who supported Minervas choice to send children to the Dungeons. That is a war crime. Think about what we would think of we read something like this in the news. Many people get uncomfortable when I say this, but it is the truth. You can't justify arresting children.
2 There are many instances in the books where we get hints that there are many good Slytherins. In number one we hear that six years in a row the Slytherins won the house cup. It was not the Draco type who earned those points, and I can tell you right now that they didn't just get those points from Snape! One teacher can't outweigh all the others. In Chamber of Secrets, almost all the Slytherins clapped along with everyone else when Minerva said that the students would get cured. In three, many Slytherins clapp when Harry masters Buckbeak. In four, half of them stand up with the other students for Cedric. We have no proof for number five. In six, we get Slughorn.
3 Rowling herself has stated twice that most Slytherins aren't as bad as Draco. She did this with the owners of Mugglenet.
Really, it is only when a sticker book for kids labels Slytherins sa "Forces of Darkness" get all excited and say that it is right.
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11-12-2011, 11:57 PM
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Rowling had decided not all of them are evil & I agree with her. Because majority of Dark Wizards (notable ones are Salazar Slytherin & Tom Riddle), the whole house was misunderstood. If Slytherin is the evil house, then what about Snape, Slughorn & Draco? I don't think Draco's evil at all. I think he's the victim of the whole situation. If you're saying that the other houses are good, then what about Quirrel & Wormtail? I'm not saying Wormtail's evil, but I've to admit that his cowardly act is more despicable that pure-blood supremacy.
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11-13-2011, 12:26 AM
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I do not think that all Slytherins are bad, just that most bad people came from Slytherin, but that does not mean that everyone in Slytherin is evil. I thought it was very unfair for McGonagall to send them all to the dungeons, but that was in the movie and not the books so it's different.
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11-13-2011, 04:01 AM
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| | Horklump
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I don't think so. I think each house has their own set of 'bad students' but Slytherin seems to stand out because of Slytherin and Voldemort. I think if they were given a chance, which they really aren't, then you would find that they're not bad at all.
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11-17-2011, 04:30 PM
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Bad? Not really..MOre like they have 'dark, mean, mysterous, and selfish' personalities.
I mean look at Draco..in the end he wasn't a bad person. He didn't let them know that it was actually Harry at the Draco Manor. And (I'm going on a wild guess here..that both Dracos parents were in slytherin) Dracos mom was actually good also. When she went to go check if Harry was dead and he really wasn't she didn't let them know.
So yeah, not bad but just not nice,thoughtful people. Just my thoughts. |
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12-07-2011, 07:59 PM
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I don't think that they are all bad, just because some like Tom Riddle became bad doesn't mean that they all are. When Voldemort destroyed the last horcorux in Harry, Draco's mother went to see if he was dead and altough he was not, did not tell anyone that he wasn't, so although working with Voldemort, she was not all bad.
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12-14-2011, 02:04 PM
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| | Bundimun
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| No I don't think they are bad 
they are very clear not like ravenclaw's cho, and hufllepuffs idiots, and griffindors thinks that they are brave but not much as slytherins
Harry Potter said something like this (quoted from memory): Albus Severus, you were named after two of Hogwart's headmasters. One of them was a Slytherin, and he was the bravest man I have known. |
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01-01-2012, 04:34 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Originally Posted by littledhampir I do not think that all Slytherins are bad, just that most bad people came from Slytherin, but that does not mean that everyone in Slytherin is evil. I thought it was very unfair for McGonagall to send them all to the dungeons, but that was in the movie and not the books so it's different. I want to applaud your post. I was very relieved when I read your post.  You are the ONLY other person on this site who stated on these forums that it was unfair what McGonagall did. Locking 200 children in a cold dark dungeon just because ONE of them wanted to hand Harry over. Filch must have had the time of his life locking them up. I don't believe he ever had more fun, even when Umbridge was around. Child abuse. Some of those students were barely 11. The sheer bigotry of Minerva was horrible.
And that is sad, because I love McGonagall in the books, she is completely fair in them. And it is also sad since THAT was the only big mistake of the movie.
Anyway, my post is a bit off topic. To add a bit back, Rowling also told Emerson(Was that his name?) that most Slytherins are normal.
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01-01-2012, 04:47 PM
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Yeah, people tend to think that all the students of the same house are 100% alike, they're not! They might share same qualities and stuff, but they can be totally different from each other.
Slytherins are the most into Dark Arts, no doubt, but because of one of these qualities they share. But that doesn't mean all of them are gonna think this way. Not really.
Just as stated before, not all Gryffindors are 100% brave, not all Ravenclaws are all brain and Hufflepuffs are not just nice and gentle. Each person from each house also have other characteristics that make them different from the others, and probably these characteristics lead them to the Dark Arts, not the fact they belonged to a certain house.
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01-01-2012, 10:05 PM
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No, not all Slytherins are bad, but the ones in the books are. Mayfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Pansy, Blaise, they are bad, but they aren't the entire house of Slytherin. There are most definitely good Slytherins...
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01-02-2012, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lumos No I don't think they are bad 
they are very clear not like ravenclaw's cho, and hufllepuffs idiots, and griffindors thinks that they are brave but not much as slytherins
Harry Potter said something like this (quoted from memory): Albus Severus, you were named after two of Hogwart's headmasters. One of them was a Slytherin, and he was the bravest man I have known. True,true.
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01-03-2012, 11:50 AM
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I mostly agree with all of people here. Not all of the Slytherins are bad.
Maybe can I take some alumni of Slytherin that were not bad? Yes! the Black Family who had disowned (except Sirius and Marius, because Sirius was a Gryffindor and Marius was a squib)
I remembered in 'The Order of The Phoenix' book Sirius said that all (or most? correct me If I'm Wrong  ) are Slytherin and he was the only Gryffindor from Black Family |
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01-04-2012, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by alchemist_18 I mostly agree with all of people here. Not all of the Slytherins are bad.
Maybe can I take some alumni of Slytherin that were not bad? Yes! the Black Family who had disowned (except Sirius and Marius, because Sirius was a Gryffindor and Marius was a squib)
I remembered in 'The Order of The Phoenix' book Sirius said that all (or most? correct me If I'm Wrong  ) are Slytherin and he was the only Gryffindor from Black Family  So true when you think of R.A.B. He cared for his house very much. He was angered when Voldemort abused him.
(Though Siriu's grandmother is no example for a good Slytherin.)
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03-07-2012, 07:23 AM
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Not all Slytherins are bad. It's just the ones we got to know best, Draco, Crabbe, Goyle, Pansy.. Slytherin valued most those who were ambitious, cunning, strong leaders, resourceful and had a strong sense of self-preservation. That sometimes implied they had to be.. well, not nice. Some more than others. Other than that, it's a prejudice to think all Slytherins are evil, Gryffindors brave, Ravenclaws smart and Hufflepuffs nice. Neville didn't even want to be sorted into Gryffindor, but in the battle of Hogwarts it became obvious that he belonged there. Peter Pettigrew turned out to be disloyal and a coward, but at the time he admired James and Sirius, who were both very brave. So I think that it's not always who you are that defines in which house you'll get in. Sometimes it's who you'll become or who you want to be.
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03-07-2012, 09:21 AM
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they're not all bad..
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