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Old 09-08-2009, 04:48 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I don't think that they all turned like that. JKR didn't even give the characters from there any characteristics other than 'bullies', 'cruel', 'mean', 'cold' and etc.
I think she did that because she really hates them and doesn't really care about them.
But who said thwy will all turn up like that? I mean..look at Snape! Or Draco, or Narcissa! They all saw the errors of their ways.
And what with Peter Pettegrew? How can anyone say that all Slytherins are bad and all Gryffindors are good after that? :O
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Point is: It matters not the house! I mean we already have examples of that in the books. (Draco, Wormtail, Snape!)
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Phineas Nigellus was a Slytherin, right? He was very nice and kind to Dumbledore in OOTP as far as I remember. Another thing: Snape can't be all mean if he's a professor.
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Also, keep in mind that the Slytherin in-crowd consists of Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Parkinson, and Zabini, among others. All of them have very strong pureblood superiority beliefs, and all of them exert a lot of peer pressure on the rest of Slytherin house by virtue of the power of their families. Even if you didn't share their views on pureblood superiority, if you were in Slytherin, it would be social suicide to activlely oppose their views.

It's not the traits of Slytherin house that make it seem evil, it's the dominant culture.
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:32 PM   #30 (permalink)
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in the last book i believe it said that all of the slytherins left the great hall and none of them helped. they all helped the death eaters or just left. i think that there should have been somebody from slytherin that was not evil and did the right thing.
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I don't think it's a fact of Slytherins all being two-dimensional characters; I mean, look at Draco. He plays a major part in books 6 and 7. He is definitely not two-dimensional. But also, we are looking at Hogwarts and Slytherin House through Harry's eyes. Harry has never had a good relationship with the Slytherins of his year (or any other year, really). And the first people he meets tell him what horrible people Slytherins are. So what is Harry supposed to think? He is not perfect, after all, and he has prejudices and ideas about other people just as the rest of us do. So his view of the Slytherins is that they are all mean, nasty, and just plain horrible. He presents this view to us, who must decide whether to blindly believe Harry's (admittedly unjust) view, or to make up our own minds.
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i agree with this beaucoup, beaucoup, beaucoup.

every house in hogwarts was super stereotyped - gryf= brave, rc=smarties, hufflpuff=idk, misfit house wasnt it? and syltherin were the evil kids.

idk i thought it was weird how she didnt have any other description of slytherin other then being the cruel, cunning, mean house too. && especially cuz slythie is my favorite house in the whole thing ahaha.

i read someplace that slythie was portrayed so bad b/c Jkr wrote it thru harrys eyes, and harry hates slythies. ahha idk.
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Well I think J.K. Rowling wrote it like this because it was through Harry's point of view. I mean Harry got to know almost everybody in the school except for the Slytherins. Maybe because J.K. Rowling wrote is through Harry's P.O.V. the Slytherins aren't viewed as anything else except a bunch of mean bullies. That's just my opinion though.
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Also, keep in mind that the Slytherin in-crowd consists of Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Parkinson, and Zabini, among others. All of them have very strong pureblood superiority beliefs, and all of them exert a lot of peer pressure on the rest of Slytherin house by virtue of the power of their families. Even if you didn't share their views on pureblood superiority, if you were in Slytherin, it would be social suicide to activlely oppose their views.

It's not the traits of Slytherin house that make it seem evil, it's the dominant culture.
I agree.Seems like it too me.What with there not really being anyone objecting Malfoy and his groups views...Just seems like they either ALL agree,or there are some who disagree,but just don't want to be an outcast of Slytherin...
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I agree with many others hear that we did only see the bullies in Slytherin, not the others.

I think that Slytherins have more of a tendency to be what J.K. labeled them as because of their nature. You may remember that The Sorting Hat sung that Slytherins have power and a strong desire to prove it to others. This is true with many of them. Voldemort wanted to prove that he was the most powerful wizard of all time. Draco wanted to prove he was stronger than Harry. Also, the Slytherins were not the best sports at Quidditch games. That also hints that they wanted everyone to know that they had scored, or won, or anything in particular. This personality trait, I think, gives them a huge choice; to be good or to be evil. They have to resist that evil urge, and if they do, then they are greater than many.
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I think the slytherin house was greatly represented in the series. There needed to be a house that was represented with evil traits. To have some of them be nice, I think would have made the house of slytherin less impressive. The people that want to go and achieve greater than the average person would need to have the great ambition that Slytherin possessed. If you want to have kind and caring people in your house, it is best to look elsewhere...and that is the way it should be.


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I hate how she made them seem evil. I wanted to see some good ones but in the seventh book none of them stayed to fight.
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Ok I have just a few things on this ....one Harry was a frog's hair from being a slytherin and it was Rubeus Hagrid that I think put it in his mind that all slytherin's were bad when he said ther was not one dark wizard that had not been a slytherin wich cant be true look at Regulus Arcturus Black and the outher that are listed. I think we are also looking at it from the eyes of a 11yr old where things are black and white and not many shades of grey
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I hate how she made them seem evil. I wanted to see some good ones but in the seventh book none of them stayed to fight.
I dont think they had a choice al the younger had to go and the DA was worried bout any that was left.By that time any of the older ones would have been lil death eaters
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I agree with a few others here. It was the dominant culture that established of what was and is a Slytherin, not each and every individual. Also, the books were all created in tones of Harry's beliefs and thoughts, which we all know is not in favor for Slytherin. I admit it would have been great if J.K Rowling had shown the less cunning, forgivable side of the house but that would have been very out of character from Harry. There is nothing in the earlier books (which mostly affect Harry's idea of a Slytherin) that makes Harry come into term with that side of a Slytherin and accept it. If he had, it would have contradicted Harry's whole character and thus would have made J.K Rowling an creator of poor characterization.
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The problem is Rowling basically said that all Slytherins were bad. Remember in number 7? Not a single one stayed behind to help in the battle. Not one.
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I thought Andromeda was in Slytherin? Wasn't she? The only reason I could see Tonks being in Hufflepuff is from her Dad, who I'm guessing was in that house - he obviously wouldn't be in Slytherin due to his blood status.

Alas, the portrayal of each Slytherin character in the books shows me that most of them like power and difference.
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I think the books are written with Harry's interpretation on the world. One of the first things Hagrid said to him about the houses of Hogwarts was that there wasn't a dark witch or wizard that didn't come out of Slytherin. I think that made him biased and since he really only associated with Malfoy, Crabbe, etc., we only see those examples of what a Slytherin student is like. I think that in order to have survived in the Slytherin house...you had to make youself rather cruel and arrogant, especially with someone like Malfoy running around. Seems like he would take whatever weakness he could see and use it against you in a horrible manner, just like he did with Harry, whether you were in the same house as him or not.
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I thought Andromeda was in Slytherin? Wasn't she? The only reason I could see Tonks being in Hufflepuff is from her Dad, who I'm guessing was in that house - he obviously wouldn't be in Slytherin due to his blood status.

Alas, the portrayal of each Slytherin character in the books shows me that most of them like power and difference.
Tonks is in Ravenclaw. Rowling said so on her site. Anyway,I have good news about Slytherin. There were some students from that house that stayed behind to fight. Rowling said that some come back with Slughorn in the battle.
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It all begins from the time Salazar Slytherin fought with the other founders about teaching only pure-bloods...and his heir 'Voldemort' belonged to Slytherin. So its only natural that Rowling depicted the Slytherins as the baddies. But i dont think Rowling was biased in her description of Slytherins...infact she showed that it is upto the individual and not the house to decide which side he/she wants to end up...Snape and Regulus Black were apt examples of that.
However, I'm still intrigued by the final battle, where there was absolutely no description of any Slytherin students fighting the death-eaters. Or why no Slytherin was depicted dating a person from the other house (except that in HBP, there is a remark made by Pansy that Zabini fancied Ginny)
And if there was one character that was really wicked, its Umbridge...i'd be very interested to know which house she belonged to!!!
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JK portrayal of the students in Slytherin. She never gave them any depth or other traits other than being mean, cruel, bullies and muggle haters...
I don't think this is true. On the outside it might at first appear that way, but really think about it and there are characters with other traits. We have Snape, Draco, and Slughorn... All not necessarily bad, cruel, Muggle haters. I believe Slughorn liked Hermione, didn't he? The statement that they're all portrayed the same as evil kinda stands out the most to me during those little moments when Slytherin House always stands together whenever something bad or evil happens, but I don't think this makes all the students evil. What if there's a bit of a loyalty trait like Hufflepuff where students choose the more evil side of arguments simply because they want to be loyal to their house? Or what about more of what we see with Draco... the way he acts sometimes is because he's scared. Maybe that is a trait of many Slytherins. They don't fight against anything out of fear, such as the final battle at Hogwarts. And I think after the final book we all know by now that Snape was far from cruel and Harry's assessment of him at the end of the book being one of the bravest wizards he knew was very true.

And I think too that some of the portrayal of Slytherin being purely evil started early on in the books, perhaps before Rowling knew exactly how far the popularity in the stories would go or how exactly she would develop certain things. I think even in the first book, all four houses were pretty strict to the traits listed to them. Have to re-read again, though, can't exactly remember.
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I think that the reason slytherins seem so one sided in the first few books is because we see everything from Harry's viewpoint. Other than Malfoy, Snape, the Slytherin quidditch team and of course voldemort Harry rarely is around Slytherins, so he's biased in the beginning because of the only people in Slytherin he's around. And you can't really blame him, in his first few years at hogwarts those few Slytherins he met were pretty horrible. It's not until later in the series that he has the chance to talk to new Slytherins (such as Slughorn) and he also learns more about Snape and Malfoy's true character. My oppinion of Slytherins is that like all the other houses they have their good qualities and people and some bad too. Snape, Slughorn and even Draco to some extent in books 6 and 7 seem to fit the Slytherin traits and are generally good people with consciences and values.

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I agree with those who say that a great part of the Slytherins portrayal is because the story is told from Harry's perspective. It would be foolish to think that Harry doesn't have his share of prejudices. I think that's what the epilogue was mainly for. To show that even Harry had to overcome prejudices, which he did by naming his son after a Slytherin.

However, I agree that all lot of the most stereotypical characters came from Slytherin. Malfoy certainly became more complex in the last two books, but even he could have been expanded on, I think.

To say that all Slytherins are evil muggle haters doesn't seem fair though. Snape wasn't evil. Malfoy, while deeply flawed, wasn't really evil either. Slughorn was borderline nice. So you know, us Snakes aren't so bad
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I think that JK needed to put a "face" on some of the moral concepts she presents in the books. Pureblood wizards see themselves as a "superior race", not unlike slave-owners in the US, the Nazis, and the KKK. In my opinion, the term "Mudblood" is equivalent to the "N-word" in our world. Rowling puts a lot of emphasis on this travesty of justice in the wizarding world; we see it in Hermione, whom Rowling paints as an outstanding witch, loyal friend, and brave heroine, despite her Muggle-born heritage. We see it in the MoM, especially in DH, where "blood-status" becomes critical to one's survival, and the MoM begins circulating Pureblood Society propaganda. Sounds a lot like Hitler to me (kudos to whoever posted the WWII thread- can't wait to read it!). And we see it in the general attitude of Slytherin house.

Unfortunately, Slytherin becomes the "face of racism" in the HP series. Their pureblood status, elitist mentality, and disdain for half-bloods, blood "traitors" and muggle-borns make them the poster children for Rowling's theme of racial prejudice. I agree with many who posted in this thread that it's unfair that the entire house gets stereotyped when there are most certainly decent Slytherins mixed in with the horrible ones. But I believe that Rowling is trying to put a concrete image on an abstract concept to help young readers understand the lesson she's trying to teach. WDYT, peeps?
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I don't think they were alll like this, yes many of them were, I can't deny that, but not all of them were bad. For instance Regulas Black, he turn out to help but not help, destroy the horcrux, he was against Voldemort, he wasn't evil, but still a slythrin.

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