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03-18-2008, 08:25 PM
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| Eager Russian Learner Jobberknoll
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Heh, he' is such a wonderful guy ;P lol
I think there is a lot of which I'd like to know ;P
But e.g "I like you"
I'll think about it ;P
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05-11-2009, 07:04 PM
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| ᚼᛟᚱᚾ ᛏᚱᚨᛇᚷᛖᚱ Quote:
Originally Posted by Deniiz "Wir sprechen viel weil ich morgens meine Schwester an rufe" oder "... Schwester rufe an"? Anrufe ist richtig. Aber ich weiss nicht, ob das weil stimmt. Es kommt darauf an, was Du sagen möchtest:
Wir sprechen viel, weil ich morgens immer meine Schwester anrufe. (wenn Du sie jeden Morgen anrufst)
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Wir sprechen viel, wenn ich morgens meine Schwester anrufe. (Du rufst sie manchmal an)
^_ ^ Hoffe, das hilft weiter.
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05-16-2009, 04:25 PM
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Hallo! Wie geth's?
Wie heisst 'chicken' auf Deutsch? Ich hatte Deutsch-Test gestern und ich habe vergessen das. - der Test war alle über "Essen und Trinken".
[Please correct me if there's any mistake in the previous sentences, which there must be]
Danke
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05-18-2009, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Deniiz Dankeschön!
Kannst du ein Unterricht "Dativ oder Akkusativ" screiben? Ich kann nicht verstanden. Akkusativ ist "wohin?", dativ ist "wo?" aber selten kannst du verwenden akk verben mit dativ prepositionen, nein?
I tried my best for this sentence to sound right but I doubt it. Translation:
"Accusative is 'where to?', dative is 'where?' but sometimes acc. verbs are used with dative prepositions, arent they?" (I dont know passive yet, so I tried to explain like that.) Alright, I think I see what you're asking. Your question is about what case words have after certain prepositions, right? For example:
Ich fahre in die Stadt.
If I understood you correctly, what you want to know is if die Stadt is accusative, since it answers to wohin? (Wohin fahre ich? In die Stadt.)
Or, for the dative case:
Ich liege in der Badewanne. (Wo liege ich? In der Badewanne.)
Now, Stadt is indeed accusative, and Badewanne is dative.
But you have to realise that you do not normally ask for cases with wo or wohin. The accusative case answers to wen/was (who/what), the dative to wem (whom, basically, but it's not exactly the same).
To use the examples again, this would be the "correct" way to ask, although it sounds very awkward:
Ich fahre in die Stadt. (In wen/was fahre ich? Die Stadt.)
Ich liege in der Badewanne. (In wem liege ich? Der Badewanne.)
The problem is, it works in those cases, but you'll get into trouble when you start asking for every accusative or dative with wohin or wo. And that is because wohin or wo do not ask for grammatical cases but rather sentence elements: Adverbials or objects, to be precise.
You could maybe say that if the verb describes a static action, such as liegen (you lie still somewhere), you ask for the place with wo, while when the verb describes a motion, as in fahren (you're going somewhere), what follows is an accusative, but I don't know how helpful that would be as a general rule. Different prepositions have different cases following them.
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05-20-2009, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Deniiz Yes it helped. Thanks  I usually translate in English, dative is indirect object and accusative is direct.
But still I have questions: My teacher said most of the verbs are accusative and only a small amount is dative. She said "bekommen" too is accusative, but we did an example of: *Martin bekommt von seinen Freunden viele Blumen weil er Geburtstag hat.*
I see seine Freunden is dative because of "von" preposition. I got that. But how come "bekommen" is used with a dative preposition, "von" in the first place? As "bekommen" is an accusative verb, shouldnt it just take accusative prepositions? Hmm... Well, I don't want to criticise your teacher, but I don't think it's wise to refer to verbs as being "accusative" or "dative". Cases are only used for nouns and pronouns, at least as far as I know.
In any case, the direct object of bekommen is obviously accusative, so no problem there. But bekommen is a bit of a special case because it is one of those verbs that are very closely connected to the passive. The implicit statement of bekommen is that someone actively gives you something, and you receive it. In your example, it's Martin's friends who give him flowers. And the preposition von simply requires that the nouns following it are in the dative case.
That's the problem with classifying verbs as being accusative or dative, it doesn't really work.
Could you give an example or two of dative verbs? Because I can't really figure out what that could mean.
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05-23-2009, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Deniiz Yes, it isnt wise indeed. I'm very confused. German used to be my best lesson but now almost the worst  I'm afraid of it.
Do you have an advice for accusative and dative, or should I continue with translating in English?
Haha, an example of my teacher: helfen. "Ich helfe meinem Vater bei seinem Beruf." It helped at first, but when I saw things like "accusative" bekommen taking "dative" von, it confused&frightened me so much. Aww. 
Well, German is a difficult language. I'm kind of glad that it was my first one. Helfen. Duh! I should have thought of that myself. Hmm... Well, I can't think of anything off the top of my head how to distinguish between verbs like helfen, bekommen, and "normal" ones like kaufen. I'll see if I can find one of my old textbooks or something, and then I'll get back to you.
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05-30-2009, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Deniiz Oh God, I have the last exam on this Monday. Right before this Akkusativ thing got involved, my life was problem-less. *cries* I really want to learn German but apparently this akkusativ and dativ is very important. Maybe this helps you: Dative Dative Prepositions + Dual Prepositions (Acc/Dat) Dative Verbs Accusative Accusative Prepositions
For your exam: viel Glück!
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08-24-2010, 08:30 AM
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| | Puffskein
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Originally Posted by squibby German examples English Equivalent ä (long/short) - Käse/Känchen late / get au - aus now äu - Fräulein oil ch - ich e (long/short) - See/Geld ? / met ei - zwei mine eu - neu foil g (in -ig) - vierzig ie - Sie tree ö (long/short) - schön/möchte her / sch - Flasche ß(Eszett) - Straße ü (long/short) - für,fünf I just wanted to ask about the translations as I do come from Germany... so are the words in blue meant to be a translation of the meaning or like the sound?
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08-24-2010, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Flipper
Wie heisst 'chicken' auf Deutsch? Ich hatte Deutsch-Test gestern und ich habe vergessen das. - der Test war alle über "Essen und Trinken".
[Please correct me if there's any mistake in the previous sentences, which there must be]
Danke  Even though this post is more than a year old, I'll answer it since no one else did:
correction: Was heißt "chicken" auf Deutsch? Ich hatte gestern einen Deutsch-Test (besser: ich habe gestern einen Deutsch-Test geschrieben) und habe das (= dieses Wort) vergessen. Der Test war über "Essen und Trinken". ( I would phrase it differently but otherwise, there's nothing wrong about this sentence.)
"Chicken" means "Huhn" (= das Huhn). But if the test was all about food... it also could be "Hähnchen" (also "das"), I don't know. Depends on the context. If you, or anyone else, have/has any questions, feel free to ask. Quote:
Originally Posted by Faelwen Angelique I just wanted to ask about the translations as I do come from Germany... so are the words in blue meant to be a translation of the meaning or like the sound? No, they're supposed to give an English example of the correct pronunciation.
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08-27-2010, 09:51 AM
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How is the Happy Birthday song written in German?
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08-27-2010, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenix_tears Haiii to the awesome German people
How is the Happy Birthday song written in German? hi ^^
What song exactly do you mean? "Happy birthday to you"?
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08-27-2010, 01:08 PM
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Brittany DeSalle Department of Mysteries | Heart keeper ♥ l Rawrrr ll domestïc equïne ll cherryy'' Oh, I just realised that one word reapeats throughout the whole song
So, yeah, how do you write Happy Birthday in German?
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08-27-2010, 01:30 PM
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| | Quintaped
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Originally Posted by phoenix_tears Oh, I just realised that one word reapeats throughout the whole song
So, yeah, how do you write Happy Birthday in German? Weeellll...there IS a translation to the 'Happy Birthday song' but we normally sing the English version...though, maybe that's just us? 
Anyhow, the German version would be (same rhythm, melody etc.):
Zum Geburtstag viel Glück,
zum Geburtstag viel Glück,
zum Geburtstag lieber *insert person's name here*,
zum Geburtstag viel Glück.
Yes, rather silly...like I said we normally sing it in English with a 'lieber' instead of the 'dear' in the middle. *shrugs*
Oh, and if you just wanted to wish somebody a 'Happy Birthday' you would probably say 'Alles Gute zum Geburtstag'. *nods*
Hope that answered your question.
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08-28-2010, 11:04 AM
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Brittany DeSalle Department of Mysteries | Heart keeper ♥ l Rawrrr ll domestïc equïne ll cherryy'' Thaanks a lot Lislchen!
Now I can sing Happy birthday in German *sings shrilly*
Oh, and that's how you wish Happy Birthday! Thanks a lot, I have many German friends and I'll surprise them on their birthdays! (as they all know that I dont speak German ) I really want to learn the language though, and hopefully I will!
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08-30-2010, 12:18 PM
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You sing "lieber *name*" for a male and "liebe *name*" for a female person. Lisa: Oh, yeah...thanks. xD |
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