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Old 02-07-2006, 10:20 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I admit when snape kill Dumbledore in HBP I feel angry and i don't wanna trust him. But I realized there so many reason that he may be in the good side coz he always save Harry's live even he hated sirius and james and he was dumbledore's best man so I can say he is not guility enough to hate so... I fully convinced that Dumbledore death may planned and I always trust snape..
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Old 02-13-2006, 05:43 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Arneth, your link isn't working for me...
Sorry about that, it works on and off, the price of paying €2 a year for hosting I suppose....

It's working now though.

When (and if) you get to my site, click on the "Snape Paper" link
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Old 02-13-2006, 07:09 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I trust Snape wholeheartedly! He is good!
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Old 02-15-2006, 01:49 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I dont trust Snape, he is out for his own good and is extreemly slippery and cunning. He never even appeared in court for being a death eater. I think the occlumency lessons are clues as to Snape loyalty. When he calls LV the dark lord, the smirk of triumph when he says it is not your job to find out what the dark lord is plotting potter and harry turns round and says no, thats your job isnt it, and when snape answers after a pause in which he smirks triumphantly.
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Old 02-19-2006, 04:59 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Snape is a slippery jerk, I agree. But I still maintain he's good. In case of another hosting failure, I'm just going to dump a copy of what's on my site here:

Yes, I need a life

What follows is the result of me having an aversion to study. I wrote this when I should have been studying for an exam. For which I have yet to receive my result. I somehow doubt that it was a very good one.

I ask you to note that I wrote this between 2:30 and 3 am, and have never bothered to correct any of it. Grammar errors and inaccuracies are the result of sleep deprivation.

Anyhow, without further ado:

I don't like Snape; however, I just re-read Half-Blood Prince and am fairly convinced that he is still on the side of The Order, although I doubt they know it.

1. If he had refused to make the Unbreakable Vow, his usefulness as a spy would have been compromised. It is also possible that he truly wasn't aware of what he was promising to do, but I doubt that.

2. It is clear that, by the end of Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore considered himself expendable. He saw his time as ending or ended, and Harry's as beginning. He describes himself as far less valuable than Harry. He passed on all he knew that might help in the coming battle. I believe that he would have considered the opportunity to have a highly placed agent in Voldemort's ranks, perhaps capable of aiding Harry when he needs it most, more valuable than his own continued existence. JKR has supported the view that there are some things that one’s life is a fair exchange for in previously. At one point, Sirius says that “there are things worth dying for” (Order of the Phoenix UK 421)

3. The argument overheard by Hagrid between Snape and Dumbledore could easily be read to be on the subject of the Unbreakable Vow, and also the fact that it must be Severus that kills him. Dumbledore would, I believe, have been willing to die solely to prevent Draco's becoming a murderer. He would most certainly have prefered that Snape kill him to Draco doing so.

4. As regards the Vow itself. Dumbledore would most likely have seen the exchange of a weakening old man's life for that of a younger man as fair as well. If Dumbledore had not died, Snape would have.

5. Snape's behavior, both in the past and the present towards Harry. He has saved Harry in the past, and even as he flees the school, does not attack Harry, and continues to give him advice on how to fight. He even goes so far as to stop another Death Eater from attacking Harry. The premise on which he does this "Potter belongs to the Dark Lord" (Half-Blood Prince UK 563), is dodgy at best, as Barty Crouch Jr, described by Voldemort himself as the "most faithful" (Goblet of Fire UK 565) of the Death Eaters, seemed to have no qualms about doing so. Hence one can assume that it is an invented premise, invented in order to save Harry.

6. The expression on Snape's face as he preformed the curse may well have been in response to what he was about to do rather than the person he was about to perform it on. As for the argument that to perform the Killing Curse one must hate the intended victim, this is doubtful. One must firmly intend to kill, that much is apparently true, but there is no real way one can argue that Barty Crouch Jr hates the spider that he kills in Goblet of Fire.

7. Dumbledore's last words "Severus...please...” (Half-Blood Prince UK 556) These are not the words one would speak to someone you had just realized had betrayed you. I would imagine that they would be rather more offensive. If nothing else, at least along the lines of "How could you?", but "please", doesn't fit, however, it does fit a man asking a friend to do something he doesn't want to do.

And I think it is at this point that it becomes obvious why I got sorted into Ravenclaw.....

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Old 02-19-2006, 07:26 PM   #81 (permalink)
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I still dont believe it, I believe Dumbledore was aware of Snape's temptation towards the dark side.His Severus...please was said instead of how could you because he was weak. I think Snapes explanation to bellatrix in spinners end was little too good to be false. I dont think DD knew the whole details of the unbreakable vow. Plus I think Snape follows Voldemorts instructions to the letter just as he does with everything else spells, potions, school rules etc
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Old 02-24-2006, 05:32 PM   #82 (permalink)
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DD knew that it was Dracos job. So in my opinion he knew also what snape had to do. His loyalty to the order, his protection of Harry, and to carry out that task prove that he was loyal to DD. I guess we will all know in the last book.
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:05 AM   #83 (permalink)
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i think that snape could end up being a good guy IF and ONLY IF Dumbledore ends up being alive.
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Old 03-25-2006, 04:38 PM   #84 (permalink)
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I like well researched theories. And this is definately one! Great work!
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Old 03-25-2006, 05:24 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Snape I never trusted him and I knew from the beginning he was bad. Is the Villan and I hate him also lord Volde - mort.
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Old 03-26-2006, 08:57 AM   #86 (permalink)
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I think it is interesting that some think Snape will end up good, but I still think he is bad to the bone. I think JK has been pretty forward about things, but who knows what she will do in the last book. I still say he's bad though.
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:17 PM   #87 (permalink)
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yeah i am thinking that it was all planned and besides harry can still talk to Dumbledore in the headmistress's office (weird saying that) and in HBP it says that snape and dumbledore talking in the forest about how snape didnt want to do it but dumbledore said he had to... in the end it makes sense

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Old 03-31-2006, 01:58 PM   #88 (permalink)
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i dont trust snape either
because he did betray Dumbledore
and that cost dumbledore his life.
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Old 04-02-2006, 11:46 PM   #89 (permalink)
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Hummmm, I can Trust Snape

You should wiat and see, Snape is trusty
I promiss you he is, if he was not, dumbledore didnt trust him. Dumbledore is my God and if he has trusted Snape, Ill do.
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:27 PM   #90 (permalink)
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but dumbledore died because snape killed him.
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Old 04-06-2006, 08:39 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Also JKRowling said she was going to answer questions in this book rather than make more mysteries. I think you guys have over thought on this idea of Dumbledore planning for Snape to kill him and I think it is false hope because Snape gets way more fans than he should do. Still I think he's great but if you put yourself in Harry's position I could understand hating him so much. I really cant see Snape sharing Dumbledore's views of the world, I think the dark side is more appealing to him.
Even though we might never know which side he chooses in the end we can guess at what times he was on who's side. He is such a good actor this guy.
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Old 04-07-2006, 01:55 AM   #92 (permalink)
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but dumbledore died because snape killed him.
you just read, snape killed Dumbledore.
just wait till the book seven comes, then see Snape is completly trusty.
because Dumbledore said
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Old 04-09-2006, 01:57 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Snape in all had ot do something to make of all people ALBUS DUMBLEDOR trust him right!? I mean he may just be trying to save evryones neck.....It may seem odd now but i think severus snape is no longer a death eater and we can trust him...but then again he did hwta he did and that may just be so har to justify but there could be many reasons such as:

1.Dumbledor was old and dying so he asked snape to do that
2.He and dumbledore made an agreement to save snapes life
3.It never was snape who leake about james and lily potter

I could go on forever but i think we all must at somepont see that Albus Dumbledor trusted him....So it must mean someting right?....
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Old 04-10-2006, 09:37 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Who trusts Snape? Mmm... Well, how about we change this back to "Who trusted Snape?"...

Dumbledore trusted Snape (and now he's [Dumbledore] dead).
The members of the Order of the Phoenix trusted Snape because they allowed him access to the Headquarters.
Actually, many people trusted Snape since Dumbledore trusted Snape. Dumbledore is an overall trusted person, so the people he trusts (in this case, Snape) are trusted (or accepted) by the rest of the world...


Now, the only person I'm sure who trusts Snape in a strange way would probably be Voldemort. Voldemort usually doesn't trust many people, but I'm almost certain he trusts Snape even more now... -shrug-
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Old 04-10-2006, 09:41 PM   #95 (permalink)
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you know, snape is like the weirdest person in this book. the post powerfull people trust him and no1 knows why!!!!!!! but i want to know why!!!!!!!! its so dumb, the post powerful wizard from the GOOD side trust him, and also the most powerful wizard on the DARK side!! it makes no sense! do we even know if HE knows what side hes on?
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Old 04-13-2006, 03:50 PM   #96 (permalink)
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I dnt realy know wot to think about Snape hes a bit of a red herin!!Although from the 6th book i do think that Dumboldore asked Snape to kill him to save Malfoy, i think this is because Dumboldore knw wot Malfoy was up to and he somehow knw Malfoy wudnt be able to do it(Malfoy lowerd his wand before Snape came in). So in order to save both Snape n Malfoy Dumbly told Snape to carry out the task. Dublydore even says to Harry somthing about caring very much about his students. Mybe also he had to die to let Harry figure out wot he has to do on his own, he gave him enough info to get started on finding the horexus, Harry cant have Dumbldore to protect him forever.

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Old 04-15-2006, 01:20 AM   #97 (permalink)
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i think they are working together and that they are just waiting for something to happen so that they will be able to over take voldemort and become the dark lords of the wizarding world but they wil most likly have to wait til harry kills him because voldemort is way more powerful and would most likly kill they before they can even strike
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Old 05-01-2006, 11:19 PM   #98 (permalink)
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Heh, I see we have strayed on the topic even further, but with the release of HBP hard not to. In the matters if Dumbledore should or should have not trusted Snape, I recommend you to read katie_bell's post in the 3rd page and Arneth in the 4th pages (Lol, don't gloat about your sorting in Ravenclaw that much, we both reached the same conclusion ), both of which made their own essay of sorts and could have posted them in their own threads.

On the other hand, I disagree with you, Ragzefire. It's not actually murder; it's euthanasia: it's a person choosing to die, in this case, to save another people. This way Dumbledore did not only helped Snape from dying or loosing Voldemort's trust, did not only spared Draco the fate of becoming a murderer and have his hands forever stained with blood (if not killed for failing), ALSO showed Harry Draco was not a killer.

See in the cave Dumbledore kept muttering "take me, not them"? It shows he prefers being killed instead of other innocent people - and Draco is still young, enough reason to want to protect him. And taking into account Dumbledore knew he was dying because of that ring, and because of the potion - another person has already pointed this out but, Dumbledore practically asked Harry to help him kill him, why wouldn't he ask Snape the same? Etc.

Not getting into the discussion if Snape is all bad or good at all. Just pointing out there's more evidence, and very convincing evidence, that this was planned by Dumbledore all along.

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Are you kidding? Snape is totally awesome. He's no where near evil! He's just a sarcastic little angel! Seriously, come on, deep down inside who really hates Snape, who? And who can really say he's evil? I mean yeah, the end of HBP was sad, but it was sacrificial as well.

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