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Old 07-29-2007, 02:16 AM   #126 (permalink)

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The Snape story-line alone is what I consider a masterpiece... I mean, she could've written a book called Severus Snape and the Deathly Hallows instead of Harry Potter.

Snape is truly a human character. He is the best and most intricate character in the Harry Potter series, since the very beginning.

I still can't believe she planned all that.
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:02 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Dumbledore said him that he was afraid they sorted him to soon... Just throw that Hat away, it made the hugest mistake of the world! Everything for SS could have been different, if it didn't.
The part I didnīt like was that the prejudices towards Slytherin House stayed, despite the fact that Harry told his son Albus Severus his second name was after probably the bravest man he knew and a Slytherin.

Maybe if Lily wouldīve been sorted into Slytherin it wouldīve made a difference, and Snape wouldīve been able to confess his love? I personally think the hat made a mistake because of the colour of her hair: it was mistaken her to be one of those Weasleys again

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I cried throughout most of The Prince's Tale chapter.. I never really used to like Snape, even though I knew there had to be more to him and I did have a feeling there was something between him and Lily.. but I still don't understand how he could be so horrible to Lily's son.. I know he didn't like James but still, Harry has her eyes and yet he was still so nasty to him.... I guess he was angry that Lily died to save him.

I also loved how Harry named his middle child Albus Severus.. that brought a tear to my eye.. and how he said you're named after one of the bravest Slytherins I knew - or along those lines..

Anyway.. I see Snape in a different light now, I never really used to like his character, though I have to admit, he's one of my favourites now.

I suppose persons who didnīt like him before and changed their minds reading that chapter easily couldīve cried throughout the chapter. Iīm glad you like him now, but I cannot lie that I wouldnīt have rather saved his life to avoid him to become a Sirius-like saint I guess our little fan club is going to have a member invasion now

I was reading the chapter in a What-did-I-tell-you manner. Most of it was no surprise to me.

I, too, appreciated Harry naming his son after the Headmasters: Albus Severus. I didnīt cry, though, I think it was least he could do

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Snape never really got what he wanted, except that last part when he wanted to look into Harry's eyes to see Lily's one last time. It was sad, it almost made me cry, but I didn't. I personally think Snape should've lived, but...I thought Harry's kid was so cute, being named after Dumbledore and Snape...
Iīm sure those eyes comforted him a lot.


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The Snape story-line alone is what I consider a masterpiece... I mean, she could've written a book called Severus Snape and the Deathly Hallows instead of Harry Potter.

Snape is truly a human character. He is the best and most intricate character in the Harry Potter series, since the very beginning.

I still can't believe she planned all that.
Iīm hoping she would write a seven book series about Snape. That would of course make him disgustingly popular, lol, but I wouldnīt care as long as I could read seven thick books about Severus.
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Old 07-29-2007, 07:29 PM   #128 (permalink)
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I guess our little fan club is going to have a member invasion now

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they have to send a request. You could stop accepting new members. Or start to make hearings. Does it mean we'll have new officer posts? ARC? Assistant of the SSFC Registration Commission? Where can you apply?
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Old 07-30-2007, 12:24 AM   #129 (permalink)
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i predicted it right, except i didn't think he would die

its pretty sad though
about him and lily
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Old 07-30-2007, 04:33 AM   #130 (permalink)
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I thought Severus Snape was a really complex and mistunderstood character! I felt so sorry for him because he was bullied at school and he grew up lonely and isolated, and the fact that he loved Lily but probably never told her. I thought he was going to die in the end (unfortunately) but he certainly did not deserve it! He should have lived and married and become the new DADA teacher.
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:25 AM   #131 (permalink)
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before reading i finally realized that Snape was a baaaad person, it never occurred to me that he's really what Dumbledore meant...

after buying the book and browsing the table of contents, i was suprised there's a Prince's tale chapter, and near towards the ending, i know its Snpae's but i cant think of any tale, but there's in the back of my mind that hey maybe this is how he turned out good, but cant think of any tale that wud redeem him...

after reading his death it ddnt affect me, but when he insists on going to Harry first when Voldemort meet him and his facial expression when he saw Harry at his near death and gave Harry his memories, that's when i started to think twice...


and now having finished the book, i want to cry for the character's soul, i feel sorry coz i loathed him as Harry loathed him and it ddnt occurred to me how he loved Lily so dearly and deeply that he followed Dumbledore's orders with bravery and truth...he's charcter is one of the best in Harry Potter

i was nearly crying while i was reading through his tale, especially on how he expressed his devotion to Lily at those latter memories.... it was very emotional seeing a Snape so sad.....it was well created, well hidden, i was soooo wrong to him, and im sorry that he have to die, after all that he's been through, for me, he's not supposed to die, with a man that has full of love, loyalty and good conscience, he ddnt deserved it, he should have lived at least to talk to Harry about his true motives, the memories are soo many, yes, but i think its not indeedly enough for the sake of Snape's memory to be redeemed? get me? i hoped he have at least utter more words to Harry before he died....
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Old 07-30-2007, 03:04 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Well, they have to send a request. You could stop accepting new members. Or start to make hearings. Does it mean we'll have new officer posts? ARC? Assistant of the SSFC Registration Commission? Where can you apply?
I am not in charge with those applications. Thereīs only three of them at the moment: Nessie, Jan and Lissy, the latter of which I believe is busy with her new baby ... But I think we cannot deny membership only because they wouldnīt have loved him if he had turned out to be bad, can we?


Hearings ... And weīll let Filch take care of it .... What a tempting idea

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i was nearly crying while i was reading through his tale, especially on how he expressed his devotion to Lily at those latter memories.... it was very emotional seeing a Snape so sad.....it was well created, well hidden, i was soooo wrong to him, and im sorry that he have to die, after all that he's been through, for me, he's not supposed to die, with a man that has full of love, loyalty and good conscience, he ddnt deserved it, he should have lived at least to talk to Harry about his true motives, the memories are soo many, yes, but i think its not indeedly enough for the sake of Snape's memory to be redeemed? get me? i hoped he have at least utter more words to Harry before he died....

Maybe it was best for him anyway? Maybe he still missed Lily so much he preferred to "move on"? I donīt know. I wouldīve wanted him to stay alive, but after Lilyīs son didnīt need any more protection, he maybe wouldīve lost the track and turned out somekind of Hagrid.

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Old 07-30-2007, 06:41 PM   #133 (permalink)

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Iīm hoping she would write a seven book series about Snape. That would of course make him disgustingly popular, lol, but I wouldnīt care as long as I could read seven thick books about Severus.
As much as that would be very, very cool, it seems we already know the climax of Ssverus' life...
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I didn't learn too much that was different from what I believed Snape to be! I was pleased my theories about him were correct, but I must admit I did not expect to see him die the way he did! That was SO sad! I knew he loved Lily, but then he even confessed to loving Harry as well..WOW! That hit me big time!!!!!
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:37 PM   #135 (permalink)
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As much as that would be very, very cool, it seems we already know the climax of Ssverus' life...
I believe we donīt know half about Severusīs life ... He dies, alright, and he loved Lily in vain. Otherwise, for example what was his relationship to Narcissa, we donīt know much about. I believe Cissy might have been there to listen and console when Lily dumped him ... It would also be fun to watch Severus and Lily in Potions classes together and in the Slug club ... But yes, I donīt think she will write those books she hates him
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I didn't learn too much that was different from what I believed Snape to be! I was pleased my theories about him were correct, but I must admit I did not expect to see him die the way he did! That was SO sad! I knew he loved Lily, but then he even confessed to loving Harry as well..WOW! That hit me big time!!!!!
Snape was quite as I imagined he would be. The death was ... unfair!

I think he thought Harry ought to know he loved Harryīs mother, because he sympathized him for Dumbledore had been "using" the both of them.

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Despite many theories saying that Snape was good, I didn't believe them. I was convinced that he was bad. But I did suspect that he had fancied Lily (maybe that was the result of reading lots of fan fiction). Overall, though, I was pretty much completely wrong about him. I feel bad that he died.
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I thought snape was bad as he killed dumbledore and i just did not imagine severus was gooood !But i guessed that the patronous silver doe was snapes and then after that snape was a good guy but i change4d my mind as snape was pleading with vode that he wouild bring the potter boy and i kept on changing my mind upon on severus when severus was talking to volde!
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It'd be hard to predict that Snape killed Dumbledore because he'd die anyway but I just knew there was an explanation.I think you could tell Snape was actually a good guy all along, it was rather obvious.So, I liked him from the start.

What made me kinda angry was Harry's reaction.Without even saying a word about it, about how wrong he'd been about Snape since the beginning, he suddently forgets everything and Snape becomes his new idol.I think it's all wrong.

I guess, what I mean is, I wish Harry wasn't so unrealistically perfect.Couldn't he at least admit he was wrong about Snape?He acted like a good old friend of his had died.
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I knew that snape was on dumbledores sides though he acted as a bad guy.But i did'nt predict this much would be there about severus snape in price's tale and i am also sorry for him to end up like this
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Despite many theories saying that Snape was good, I didn't believe them. I was convinced that he was bad. But I did suspect that he had fancied Lily (maybe that was the result of reading lots of fan fiction). Overall, though, I was pretty much completely wrong about him. I feel bad that he died.
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I thought snape was bad as he killed dumbledore and i just did not imagine severus was gooood !But i guessed that the patronous silver doe was snapes and then after that snape was a good guy but i change4d my mind as snape was pleading with vode that he wouild bring the potter boy and i kept on changing my mind upon on severus when severus was talking to volde!
I didnīt even think whose the silver doe was, I was only thinking whether it was from a friend or an enemy, because our boy hero was again rushing around without thinking so many times I thought what Severus talked to Voldie was just, well, talk.
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It'd be hard to predict that Snape killed Dumbledore because he'd die anyway but I just knew there was an explanation.I think you could tell Snape was actually a good guy all along, it was rather obvious.So, I liked him from the start.

What made me kinda angry was Harry's reaction.Without even saying a word about it, about how wrong he'd been about Snape since the beginning, he suddently forgets everything and Snape becomes his new idol.I think it's all wrong.

I guess, what I mean is, I wish Harry wasn't so unrealistically perfect.Couldn't he at least admit he was wrong about Snape?He acted like a good old friend of his had died.
I donīt think his goodness was that obvious, but reading Dumbledoreīs death scene pretty much convinced me he wouldīve died anyway. Also the little clues we got screamed that those two great wizards had planned it all, Severus being rather reluctant to complete the task of killing Albus, though. Rowling still claims he wasnīt good, but that doesnīt matter, because Iīve liked him good or bad or neither.

He probably finally understood loads of things in the Pensieve. Subconsciously, so that Rowling didnīt have to write it down. It wouldīve also made too long a delay before the final battle. Remember: Harry had only one hour to watch those thoughts. I thought it wouldnīt have been enough, but it obviously sufficed. After that he had nineteen years to think about things before praising Snape to his son.

He had to process his thoughts, obviously. But I agree Harry is a tad too perfect, even though I donīt think not admitting one is wrong makes one really perfect.
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I hope that Snape was recoginzed somehow in the wizarding world for his actions. He sacrificed a lot for the Order and got nothing in return.

I hope he at least got a chocolate frog with his picture on it!

As JKR's most masterful character, I get the impression she doesn't like Snape very much. Not only does she call him an anti-hero but she said this is the Bloomsbury chat:

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J.K. Rowling: It was deliberate. Snape had effectively abandoned his post before dying, so he had not merited inclusion in these august circles. However, I like to think that Harry would be instrumental in ensuring that Snape’s portrait would appear there in due course.
When I read the story and Snape left I didn't get the impression that he was giving up his post and or abandoning it. He died as headmaster, just like Dumbledore, yet his portriat was missing.

I hated the way Snape died. I wish it was in battle, kicking Voldie's butt. It was very shocking and anti-climatic at the same time. Kind of like when Sirius fell through the veil.

I hope he had a proper funeral and a well deserved resting place. Maybe Harry had him buried in Godric's Hollow. And visits his grave when he visits his parents. Poor Snape has no one else to visit him after-all...
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I dont think he really was recognized all that much, i still think that even though so many people heard what he had done, most wouldnt actually completely welcome his memory. But I liked Snape and even though i always thought he was a good guy sorta, i was surprised at why he was a good guy in the first place.
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J.K. Rowling: It was deliberate. Snape had effectively abandoned his post before dying, so he had not merited inclusion in these august circles. However, I like to think that Harry would be instrumental in ensuring that Snape’s portrait would appear there in due course.

I think he merits a portrait in the headmaster's office. It broke my heart to think he wouldn't get one. To me that just seems wrong. He may not have been in office for very long, and he may not have been very good at it, but he was in office, therefore he deserves a portrait. All the other headmasters and headmistresses got their portraits in office and they weren't all good but they are still there. Just saying...
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We have to think about the fact that Harry named his son, Albus after two great headmasters as well. That means alot in my mind, that he has that much respect for the man. Surely there would be statues and memorials. After all, there was the transforming Potter Family statue at Godrics Hollow. Surely after the second half of the war there would be several more statues erected.

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I hope that Snape was recoginzed somehow in the wizarding world for his actions. He sacrificed a lot for the Order and got nothing in return.

I hope he at least got a chocolate frog with his picture on it!

As JKR's most masterful character, I get the impression she doesn't like Snape very much. Not only does she call him an anti-hero but she said this is the Bloomsbury chat:
But he has! My charrie got a chocolate frog card with his picture on it on her first year

I think that same quote was in the Slytherin house thread? She seems to want add Harryīs glory even more.

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I think he merits a portrait in the headmaster's office. It broke my heart to think he wouldn't get one. To me that just seems wrong. He may not have been in office for very long, and he may not have been very good at it, but he was in office, therefore he deserves a portrait. All the other headmasters and headmistresses got their portraits in office and they weren't all good but they are still there. Just saying...
Iīm sure he did well (and Slytherins got all the house points, mwahhahhaa ) and wouldīve automatically have deserved a portrait just like any other headmaster.

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We have to think about the fact that Harry named his son, Albus after two great headmasters as well. That means alot in my mind, that he has that much respect for the man. Surely there would be statues and memorials. After all, there was the transforming Potter Family statue at Godrics Hollow. Surely after the second half of the war there would be several more statues erected.
He wouldīve been a git just like his father if he hadnīt shown some respect to dear Severus.

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I dont think he really was recognized all that much, i still think that even though so many people heard what he had done, most wouldnt actually completely welcome his memory. But I liked Snape and even though i always thought he was a good guy sorta, i was surprised at why he was a good guy in the first place.
I had guessed a few things about Severus already, including his friendship with Lily and having a crush on her.
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I had absolutely NO CLUE, that Snape would ultimately be good. I mean, it really surprised me when I read that he had loved Lily since they were 11 years old. It really threw me off my rocker, lol. I thought it was really sweet too, and I feel bad for Snape because he had to kill Dumbledore. Plus, it really shocked me when JK revealed that Dumbledore had actually asked Snape to kill him. whoahh. But, I had never liked Snape. I always thought he was so evil and I was so sad when Voldy killed him. I really felt bad for the guy. I mean, he did so much for the Order but got nothing. He does deserve a portrait as a headmaster. Definitely. I was really happy when the epilogue told that Harry and Ginny named their son, Albus Serverus. It may sound cheesy, but it is really really sweet.

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I wasn't that surprised that he was Dumbledore's man to the end. What surprised me thoroughly was that loving Lilly so much he was capable of hating her son as he did.
I know, Harry was James's son, whom Snape hated to death, but still...
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