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The Deathly Hallows The final year of the Harry Potter series - will good triumph over evil?

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Old 07-23-2007, 04:10 AM   #76 (permalink)
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How did everyone know Snape's Patronus was the doe?! That completely threw me.

I loved him in this book (though we don't see much of him). I loved it when he kept asking Voldemort if Snape could go find Harry. I wonder what Snape would have said to Harry if he had been allowed.
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:34 AM   #77 (permalink)

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I'll admit, I thought Snape was loyal to Voldemort. Bad guess on my part.

I absolutely loved him by the end of the book though!!

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I loved him in this book (though we don't see much of him). I loved it when he kept asking Voldemort if Snape could go find Harry. I wonder what Snape would have said to Harry if he had been allowed.
I think he would have shown Harry, at minumum, the memory where Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him and where Dumbledore said Harry must die.

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It's nice to know that he turned out to be a good guy. I just felt soo badly for him. I cried all through The Prince's Tale. I wish Snape could of had a happier ending. He gave-up soo much and got so little in return. He never stopped loving Lily after all these year.

At least Harry acknowledges him in the end. Poor Snape.
Oooooooh, my gosh I know!!! I agree with everything you said!

So much for his happy ending...
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:42 AM   #78 (permalink)

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I did think Snape would be good and did think it could be because he loved Lily, but I threw that possiblity out for some reason, so it wasn't really a shock when we found out he loved her, but I still kind of didn;t expect it. If you know what I mean. And after we find out about this, I felt so horrible about Snape's death.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:45 AM   #79 (permalink)


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I really thought the Severus Snape had ended up on the Death Eaters side! Oh! How foolish was I? And he dies... now come on!! Of course I think we all new already that Snape liked Lily.
He could've treated Harry a little better than he did throught his years, don't you think? I mean it would take away some of the bitterness everyone felt towards his character. But I guess that would take away from his character in the first place...
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:55 AM   #80 (permalink)
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I was slightly surprised, especially when I read that he had known Lily and Petunia from the beginning. I always thought he had some sort of feeling for Lily though, but I didn't realise how intense that feeling was. After reading HBP I thought that Snape was evil, but I'm happy that he isn't. I always had a liking for Snape. I really feel sorry for him though; he liked Lily a lot. James and Sirius were unkind to him from the start, and I thought that he had done something to hurt them at first, but he didn't. Poor Snape, I wish he didn't die.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:23 PM   #81 (permalink)

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I liked Snape. I mean, for me he ranked up there with Q, Trelane, and Farfarello. And if you know any of those names, you know that I don't care about good or evil when it comes to favorites, so my next bit is actually unbiased:

I knew Snape was on Dumbledore's side. I just wish that he was there to receive apologies from everyone who doubted him. Makes me want to write a fanfic... Anyway, the signs were just there for me. What bad guy, professor or no, lectures someone on how to defeat the enemy as they're trying to stop from being killed? Thankfully, Snape's words were wrong... having his mind and mouth open worked fairly well.

I did like to see Snape's redemption in the end. I had an inkling about how he felt about both Lily and Harry, and it's kind of nice to see I was right about it. I can't say I would have been horribly disappointed if it didn't happen that way, but seeing it was a pleasant surprise.

I don't like the way he died, however. I wanted to see him dying protecting Harry, betraying Voldemort... somewhere in the middle of the action. But then, I suppose it would have been more difficult to give away his memories. Just how did he do that, anyway?

EDIT: Hey, since the way he died sucked, does that mean he could come back as a ghost?

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Old 07-23-2007, 01:41 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I hated Snape throughout the whole trilogy and after reading the Prince's Tale, I regretted it.
I just wished that he could just have cleared his name. Those whole time people hated him but he was on their side all along.
I feel REALLY sorry for him.
He died w/ a bad name, an unrewuited love and almost at the end of their victory!! He did so much and got almost nothing!
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:45 PM   #83 (permalink)


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Zell - you write it and I'll read it!

I just have this urge to do Snape drabbles now. Hmmmmmmmmm

The very end of HBP made me lean to "Snape is good", seriously, they're throwing hexes and jinx everywhere, and Snape still takes time to lecture Harry?

What made me a permanent camper in the "Trust Snape" camp, however, was The Great Snape Debate. I read the "Snape is good" and was greatly impressed by the research they gave and their points, and quickly finished to move on to "Snape is Guilty" because I expected similar quality, and because I wanted to be well versed in both cases so I could pick a random side to defend at any given moment (a favorite activity in friendly debates ) But the quality of the second essay was horrible, and I figured, either they didn't want to prove Snape's guilt.....or they didn't have the info to prove it.

Ugh, I love Snape. I'm still sad. I should wear black today.
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Old 07-23-2007, 04:13 PM   #84 (permalink)
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For me Snape was always the good guy!
For some Snape had turned into the bad guy after HBP, but never for me. I was one of those who staunchily believed Snape to be Dumbledore's Man.
And somehow I knew he had to die in this book. He just had to. Jo is a bit predictable at times. The previous one HBP, got its name after Snape .


Zell- Totally love u for saying that.
And I wished he'd come back, but maybe he wont. He wasnt the sort of person attached to the world, cuz in Jo's books peopel who dont wnat to leave this world stay, maybe Snape will have moved on.

*I'm being an idiot here, but I hoped hoped there hadnt been any James. I never liked him since OoTP when Harry saw stuff in the Pensieve. I wish there'd only been Lily/Snape * But somethings are never meant to be. However much you want them to... whatever you do.... they just dont. And u have to accept it.
Lily was never meant to be his. But that didnt stop him from loving her.
*cries*

Snape as a kid in the chapter 'The Princes Tale' is so ............*cries more*
My heart goes out to him, why couldn't the kid who had nothing, as in *he dressed poorly, had a troubled family*, could have gotten one thing he'd loved?
But maybe he did, all he ever wanted was to save Lily's son, and he died trying.


Severus Snape is sooooo my Prince!!!!
Loves on him <3333333333
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Old 07-23-2007, 04:14 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I had predicted Snape was on Dumbledore's side but the ending was so moving and emotional. Like Slughorn said in book 6, never underestimate the power of obsessive love. In"The Prince's Tale", when little Lily asked whether it mattered if she was a muggleborn and Snape thinks for a second and said no.- that just made my eyes water like crazy!

I love the fact he said in his last dying moments, "Look...at...me.."
Also, "the green eyes found the black.." part just gives me chills. He wanted to see a part of Lily before he died.

At first I was confused when Voldie said Snape killed Dumbledore with the Elder Want because I thought he didn't (and he didn't. Snape used his own) but that just made his death 10 times worse cuz Voldie killed him thinking the Elder Wand we give him the power he needed. To me, though my brother disagrees, Snape died an innocent man. He died following Dumbledore's orders.

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*nods*
Snape not only dies an innocent man. He died a hero!
As Harry himself said in the epilogue, that he was the bravest man he knew of.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:15 PM   #87 (permalink)
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What did you think of Snape's story line? Did you predict it, or was it completely unexpected? Let us know!
I had an incling this would happen ever since Snape seemed to only harp on the 'bad' qualities of his father. And always said he was like James, he never wanted to admit he was like Lily.

And also the theory came stronger during the Occulumency lesson in the look into the Pensive when you saw Snape's face and Lily's reaction. It all fit. He looked like Oh god what did I say? And she was really mad.

And then his memories really just put the final piece into the puzzle.
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What did you think of Snape's story line? Did you predict it, or was it completely unexpected? Let us know!





I knew from book 6 he had to be a good guy, but something inside me kept nagging inside, telling me it was a lie.

As we all knew Snape is a very interesting character, not much was known about him, and like Dumbldeodre we learned more about him in 30 some odd pages than in the entire book. I knew he was ininocent before this book came out, my heart was so sure, and when I first began reading the book I was horrified, crying my eyes out and almost throwing the book arcoss the room...until my mom shook her head and told me not to judge a book...or persn by its cover. So I went on reading and found the truth.

I learned that he did love Lily which had aleady assumed, but I also learned that no matter how much he hated Harry, he still protected him, even at a huge risk to himself. I give him full thumbsd up for doing what he did, never showing fear in front of death, even thouhg the way he went was horrifying. It shows how tru he was, he did feel remorse for his actions and set upon fixing them, and by giving his life he did die as a hero and I have new respect for him.

What's interesting though is that Snape knew Lily even before James did. I knew he knew her, but finding out it was before they got their letters was soomething new. To carry his love for her all those years and the only thing that stopped him was her blood, shows how true Snape really was.

I could go on and on, but the main point is Snape died a hero, and he's a ok in my books.
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I think Snapes storyline to me was the the best part of the book! I wish he had more action in the book though.
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Snape's storyline was definitely one of the best parts of the entire book--of the entire series. It was amazing.

I'd always had a hunch that Lily's Patronus took the form of a doe... It came as a complete shock to me that Lily and Snape were best friends and that Severus's Patronus also took on the form of a doe.

Amazing though, really. Jo is an absolute literary genius!

Severus's love for Lily helped him cover everything that marked him as a betrayer of Voldemort. Voldemort, once again, underestimated the power of love. We also were informed of more proof of Albus Dumbledore's theory that love is the greatest power of all.

Snape died a hero. I had a feeling that he might be good, especially since HBP made him out to be so evil...Jo threw us off the trail once again. He died a hero and finally everyone knows that he was not a Death Eater but a good and in-love man.

Snape was tragically misunderstood by many people, especially Harry but not Albus. Now that I fully understand everything behind the mystery that was Severus Snape, I can confidently say that I love him and that he has become one of my favorite characters and people.
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I did not expect it at all. Dude. I think that's part of the reason that I was so sad when he died. But I always knew that he was good. Dumbledore couldn't have been that stupid to believe him when he was lying. So that didn't shock me at all.

And the fact that he loved Lilly was so sad! That entire chapter (The Prince's Tale) was the saddest thing I've ever read. I read it over like four times, and every time I was just crying harder Poor Snapey.
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I did not expect it at all. Dude. I think that's part of the reason that I was so sad when he died. But I always knew that he was good. Dumbledore couldn't have been that stupid to believe him when he was lying. So that didn't shock me at all.

And the fact that he loved Lilly was so sad! That entire chapter (The Prince's Tale) was the saddest thing I've ever read. I read it over like four times, and every time I was just crying harder Poor Snapey.
I know it was entirely sad that he had loved Lily, but then again it all fit like one of the final piece of a puzzle about to show its final image the final thing that needed to be done. The reason that Dumbledore trusted Snape so valiantly and fully was that he himself knew that he loved Lily Evans, he knew that Lily had died because of what he had said and felt remorse for his actions. He at first despised Harry because it wasn't his son, he was her son but he was never his. He loved Lily entirely (I assumed he liked her when you saw his reaction when he was upside down in his own pensive) and he hated James for being the one who won her heart, he had loved her since he was a little boy in an over-sized jacket, an odd frilly frock, and jeans that were slightly too short for him. He himself a half-blood wizard loved the muggleborn girl he saw floating down from the sky quite litterally when she was using under-aged magic. He knew that he wanted to be friends with her, and on the train he was saying he wanted her to be in Slytherin because he knew he'd be in it, he knew it was where he would go and he wanted to be with her, but he was never brave enough to face some foes face-to-face he seemed afraid and at wind of her death, and how her child had survived he knew he was now brave enough to seek not only resalution for his actions but to be more open and kind to people in a whole. He loved Lily, hated James for being with her, and probably himself for saying that dreaded word.
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I must say that I am thouroughly disgusted by his relationship with Lily and his infatuation with her but the fact that she was kind to a slimy git like him just shows more about her character and kind heart.
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As the biggest Snape apologist ever (second only to Biochemkris) I was so thoroughly pleased to see him vindicated. I thought his death was inevitable, regardless of which side he was on. I maintain that he is the most complex and therefore most interesting character in the entire series. Of course, love doesn't make his hate of Harry justifiable, but it does make it understandable - Harry was a physical reminder of the bully he most hated, the woman he most loved and the son he could have had. I think it's easier for those who have experienced unrequited love to sympathise with him - that and grief are by far and away the most painful emotions you will ever feel.

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Such a horrible way to die - why didn't voldemort just Avada Kedavra him?
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I still would never ever say Snape was good.

The way he treated the students the first 6 years was disgraceful. Then when he became headmaster, even after promising Dumbledore to ensure their safety, he allowed the torture of the students by Death Eaters. Using the CRUCIATUS curse! And who else knows what. Neville and Seamus had gouges out of their faces. Cripes.
But consider, if he hadn't done those things, then his behaviour would've been at odds with his status within the Death Eaters. Sacrifices have to be made - as Dumbledore told him. If he was seen to be kind to Harry or any of the others, the game would be up - the kids whose parents were Death Eaters would make sure it got back to Voldemort. He really had very little choice.

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Ditto - I really thought my faith had been in vain! Especially when we saw Snape as Voldemort's right-hand man! Jo is a tricksy lady!

What I was most glad of, though, was that Harry had the maturity to forgive Snape and see past everything that had happened in order to realise that his Potions professor had played a major part in his life and that doing so, despite everything he felt, and despite the great risks, took a huge amount of bravery.

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Of course Snape was good, for crying out loud, he wouldn't have killed Dumbledore unless it was under his orders!!!

The whole Lily thing was cringeworthy, but it does explain why Sevvie hated Harry so much, the child of another man.
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I don't think Snape loved Lily in a romantic way. Well let me see if I can get this out in a sensible way. I feel he did love her, he had unmatchable-astonishing love for her. But it was not in a romantic way. Lily was the first person to be a true companion to Snape. Besides what everyone one thought of him, she stuck by his side. Therefore he came to care so deeply for her, much how Luna did to Harry, Hermione, Ron, Neville, and Ginny. I'm sure Luna loves all of them, and Snape loved Lily, cared for her in the deepest way possible, but as a friend, a partner. That is why he wanted Lily to be in Slytherin with him. Snape could not bear to think of spending so much time, in a place he desperately wanted to be home, alone, without his best friend, the one person who stuck beside him, the one he could talk to about the wizarding world when there was no one else.
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^ I disagree. I think it started out that way, but crying over her letter is a clear sign of obsessive love - one which is unrequited.
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I KNEW IT! I knew he was good all along!

I was so touched when he pleaded for the Dark Lord to save Lily... he had been in love with her since forever....I really loved it when Lily called him "Sev" its so sweet! And his patronus! just like Lily's...a doe....*dreamy-sigh*


He should have gotten a edcent burial! because of what he's been through and what he was forced to do! *loves on snape*
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