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05-31-2011, 09:07 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Okay,so you probably know by now,but the Malfoys roles are changed significantly in this one. Narcisa will NOT help Harry,instead Harry will leap out of Hagrids arms. Lucius MAY die. Yates was talking about killing him.
Of all the changes,these annoy me the most. Rowling said that the only reason that Draco was not arrested was because his mother helped Harry. But his mother won't be helping Harry,and so there is a plot hole. Why wouldn't the Malfoys get arrested? They helped Voldemort throughout all the movies. Draco doesn't really switch sides in the way Tom said he would. Draco instead actually picks to be with Voldemort just because his parents call him. It is insane to say that the Ministry would excuse Draco just because he seemed reluctant. Draco in the end chose Voldemort. You can say all you want that why Draco was like that is up to interpretation,and that he is really good. He didn't do anything,and thus he should be in prisin.
And then there is the fact that Lucius might die. Did they even get Rowlings approval of this? I read how Isaacs and Yates were talking so normally about his fate,silly things like if he should die or hide behind Draco. That contradicts the books again. Lucius cared about Draco and stopped helping Voldemort so that he could find him. He wouldn't hide behind him.
So...what do you think? Will Yates try to explain this plot hole? Or will it be another thing that doesn't make sense about the movies?
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05-31-2011, 09:23 PM
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Is all this confirmed somewhere? In an interview or something?
But anyway, there's one thing that doesn't add up to me. How does Harry leaping out of Hagrid's arms mean that Narcissa doesn't help Harry? Couldn't the leaping out of Hagrid's arms be after that scene? I mean, Hagrid isn't told to carry Harry until after she "confirms" he's dead. All it reallys changes is that part where Voldemort tells Hagrid to lay Harry at his feet; instead of that, Harry jumps out of his arms and, I guess, they'd all start battling and the Harry vs. Voldemort duel begins.
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06-01-2011, 11:40 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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This is what I read in Wiki:
■Hagrid does not place Harry's dead "corpse" on the ground; he is in Hagrid's arms, while Narcissa Malfoy looks for signs of life, but finds none until Harry leaps out of Hagrid's arms, ready to fight."
I don't know if it's true,but it's what I read.
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06-09-2011, 09:33 PM
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| | Bundimun
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well, that is just infuriating. there's really no reason for them to change that part of the story! and why would they kill of lucius? it's so unnecessary. ugh.
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06-19-2011, 06:38 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Exactly. To use a phrase in the books,I don't know what Yates is playing at. He talked with Isaac about what fate would be the best for Lucius??? Why not just follow the books? He takes it upon himself to tell everybody that he loves the books and that DH is loyal,so why does he go out of his way to change the fate of characters?
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06-22-2011, 07:53 PM
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I've read some reports from the test screening and got the impression that Lucius will not die, he and the other Malfoys will just sort of walk away when the battle is over. I don't know what to think about this, I'll have to see how it's done in the film.
But when it comes to the Malfoys and the epilogue, there's one thing that I for sure don't like. I don't know if it's completely true, but apparently the Malfoys have been cut out from the epilogue. I hope that's false information as I think it would be important to show Draco in it. His part wasn't big in the book, but I think his small gesture to Harry and the others would be a good closure for his character in the film too. I don't want his last scene to be of him walking away with his parents after the battle... it wouldn't be a proper closure for them.
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06-25-2011, 06:22 AM
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He and the other Malfoy's will just walk away
. How can they just walk away,it just doest fit if Draco will appear in the epilogue,I was wondering are these romours or confirmed
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06-25-2011, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by muggle_born_witch . How can they just walk away,it just doest fit if Draco will appear in the epilogue,I was wondering are these romours or confirmed It's not confirmed, I just found this information somewhere when I was reading the reports from the test screening. But the test screening was a couple of months ago, so they may have changed things and added scenes in the film after that. So I'd still say it's a rumour. We'll see in July.
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06-25-2011, 01:41 PM
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Yates was thinking about doing many things to Lucius. He talked about trying to give him the fate that would most embarrass him. If that is walking away,then he'd do it. But he also mentioned killing him. He also mentioned having him hide behind a curtain.
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07-18-2011, 01:11 AM
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Sooo, now that the movie's out and we now know what they did (and didn't) do, what do you all think of how the Malfoys were handled?
I thought the way the Malfoys were developed and their last scene all together were brilliant. It was all really in line with the book, I thought. Though it didn't play out exactly like the book, it wasn't drastically changed, and they were all very in character the entire time
They still kept in Narcissa checking to see if Harry's dead and pretending that he is after she asks him about Draco. But the part I really loved is in the courtyard, after they all think Harry's dead, and Lucius tries calling Draco back over to their side. Draco stays put until his mother gently tells him to come, and he does. Even more, once he reaches his parents, he moves over to his mother's side, away from his father. Then, after Harry reveals he's alive, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters are busy attacking, Narcissa and Draco walk off, leaving Hogwarts; Lucius appears torn, probably still feeling like he might be able to gain Voldemort's favor again if he stays, but finally I think he realizes that he's deluding himself, and he follows his wife and son, though he looks back once more. These two scenes, imo, perfectly display the personalities and relationships between these three characters without much dialogue at all, and I think it was definitely the best way to end the Malfoys' storyline - or at least Lucius and Narcissa's, since we see Draco again in the epilogue scene, which was lovely.
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07-18-2011, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Snape'sGirlThru&Thru Sooo, now that the movie's out and we now know what they did (and didn't) do, what do you all think of how the Malfoys were handled?
I thought the way the Malfoys were developed and their last scene all together were brilliant. It was all really in line with the book, I thought. Though it didn't play out exactly like the book, it wasn't drastically changed, and they were all very in character the entire time
They still kept in Narcissa checking to see if Harry's dead and pretending that he is after she asks him about Draco. But the part I really loved is in the courtyard, after they all think Harry's dead, and Lucius tries calling Draco back over to their side. Draco stays put until his mother gently tells him to come, and he does. Even more, once he reaches his parents, he moves over to his mother's side, away from his father. Then, after Harry reveals he's alive, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters are busy attacking, Narcissa and Draco walk off, leaving Hogwarts; Lucius appears torn, probably still feeling like he might be able to gain Voldemort's favor again if he stays, but finally I think he realizes that he's deluding himself, and he follows his wife and son, though he looks back once more. These two scenes, imo, perfectly display the personalities and relationships between these three characters without much dialogue at all, and I think it was definitely the best way to end the Malfoys' storyline - or at least Lucius and Narcissa's, since we see Draco again in the epilogue scene, which was lovely.  I agree with everything you've said! The scene in the courtyard was especially good. I think they depicted the family and their relationships perfectly. It was my favourite part of the movie |
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07-18-2011, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by VelociraptorPatronus I agree with everything you've said! The scene in the courtyard was especially good. I think they depicted the family and their relationships perfectly. It was my favourite part of the movie  Mine too!  One of the girls in my midnight showing theatre cried out "no" when Voldemort embraced Draco. I did think though, that Draco looked a little too old for how old he's supposed to be in the epilogue.
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07-19-2011, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Adriel Mine too!  One of the girls in my midnight showing theatre cried out "no" when Voldemort embraced Draco. I did think though, that Draco looked a little too old for how old he's supposed to be in the epilogue.
Yeah, I agree. Too old. But he looked better then he did in the first shooting of the epilogue. To me, he looked like Riff Raff from Rocky Horror the first time around. Dreadful!
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07-27-2011, 08:20 PM
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But I loved the scene where Narcissa asks if Draco is alive.
And then she lies to Voldemort.
I loved it because Narcissa is putting family first. (:
And that moment when Harry jumps out of Hagrid's arms, I loved it.
It just gave me a sense of. Happiness I guess. Or power.
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07-31-2011, 02:52 PM
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They dont just walk away.
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08-07-2011, 06:23 PM
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I think that in the beginning Lucius Malfoy was truly loyal to the Dark Lord and believed that everyone except Truebloods should be "cleansed" from the world. But as time went by and he witnessed that Voldemort was truly crazy, dangerous and unpredictable, he started doubting his choices and became afraid of him. In fact, it is pretty obvious that by the beginning of DH, all the Deatheaters with the exception of Bellatrix was frightened of Voldemort because he was not beyond killing anyone, even his own followers.
I believe that Narcissa Malfoy just became a Deatheater because it was expected of her being the wife of Lucius and the history of her bloodline. She was the typical wife and mother and it is obvious that she loved Draco very much and realized that he was in danger as long as they followed Voldemort. I think the last straw for her was when Voldemort chose Draco to kill Dumbledore. She knew that Draco didn't stand a chance of winning or surviving if he faced Dumbledore, hence she asked Snape to help protect and keep him safe. Her main concern was that Draco survived what was to come. That is why when she went to check on Harry after Voldemort had "killed" him, she asked whether he was still alive. And when she found out that he was, she suspected Harry had saved him, and that is why she lied to Voldemort. My question is whether she suspected Harry wasn't dead all along because why was she the one to check on Harry? Anyone else could have done that.
Draco in the beginning grew up thinking the worst of everyone that wasn't a Trueblood or Half blood. That was his upbringing..to hate. But as time passed he began to see that not everyone was "bad"...that Harry wasn't who he thought he should have been. He wasn't a true Deatheater because it is obvious that he didn't relish killing or seriously hurting anyone. He was a boy caught in a dilemma. We can see that he didn't want to follow Voldemort in the end. In fact he really didn't. He was just heeding his mother's wishes to come to her. That is why he went to her instead of his father. That action alone showed that he was "done" doing what his father wanted him to do.
In fact all the Malfoys were done!! That's why they walked away from the battle. We don't know whether Lucius was captured and returned to Azkhaban, but we do know that Draco was pardoned because we see him at the end in the epilogue. Harry and he would never truly be good friends but there will always be an understanding that Draco owes Harry is life and for that he is grateful.
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08-12-2011, 03:17 PM
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I wish they actually had more scenes you know- espically Narcissa!! i felt that it was a waste of a great actress to only have 5 minutes in the movies, but if they ever remake it make sure they listen to the fans and the current actors who plays them!!!
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08-12-2011, 04:26 PM
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I watched it and I am pleased with the parts they played. It was just a rumor that Narcissa did not help Harry. It was awesome.
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