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11-22-2010, 05:08 AM
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I'm immensely pleased to read the favourite scene and discussion threads about Deathly Hallows Pt. I and find so much praise for the movies! However, we all agree that there are small things that didn't live up to our expectations. No movie will ever be perfect and we must all accept that. However, if you could change ONE thing about this movie, what would it be? Try to choose ONLY one, too, and explain why you chose that. Is there a scene you want to change, something you want to remove, something you wish was added, a mater handled differently?
Like I said - you cannot always get a perfect book to movie transfer. It's impossible, and it took me forever to accept this. I feel like I finally have, though, and when I looked at what "disappointed" me most about the movie, I tried to keep my bits realistic - certain things I felt could be removed without throwing the movie off. I was able to accept that Potterwatch never made it - it hardly feels like the movie was thrown off.
I think, for me, the ONE thing I'd change is the beginning of the movie. I feel the lack of Dudley and Harry "making up" was a really sentimental bit of the movie that wouldn't have taken too much time. It was something I loved very much and found utterly touching - and the fact that they removed it, as they so often cast aside the Dursleys. Seeing Harry make up with the cousin he'd disliked for so long would have been fabulous and heart warming, especially with as heartbreaking that opening was. (Also, I wish some explanation had been given for WHY Hermione Obliviated her parents.)
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11-22-2010, 08:24 AM
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Take out that stupid, pointless, uncanon H/Hr dance scene.
Oh, and if I can have two, cut the Horcrux kiss as soon as their lips meet.
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11-22-2010, 08:42 AM
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Adding the Harry/Lupin fight. And they didn't even say Tonks was pregnant
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I think I agree - I'd have the moment with Harry and Dudley. It was one of my favorite parts in the book, because they've hated each other for so long, it was nice to know that they really actually do care about each other. |
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11-22-2010, 12:01 PM
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I was waiting for Harry/Dudley moment and of course when Pettigrew died!
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11-22-2010, 12:10 PM
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One part.... I was disappointed when they didn't put in the Harry/Lupin fight. I think it would have been good for them, because he also announces that Tonks is pregnant then, and it sets up for some parts later.
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11-22-2010, 02:35 PM
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It only has to be one? lol! Don't get me wrong I liked the movie, I've seen it twice, but there were a lot of minor things that I would like to be different. But yeah that biggest one would be Lupin's and Harry's fight....I think it shows a lot for his character, you know how he's reluctant to stay with Tonks because he thinks she's better of without him or how he's scared that the baby would be like him....but then Harry knocks some sense into him.....
Dunno I really think that was an important scene...probably Lupin's most important scene throughout the saga and they simply cut it off..... 
Anyway, I also agree that maybe the H/hr dance was way non canon and of course I miss the Dudley scene...
Also it kinda bothers me that Harry didn't found his mother's letter in Sirius' bedroom, though I can see why they'd cut this part off, but it was pretty emotional in the book and I was a bit disappointed there as well....
And, that's all
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11-22-2010, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by onar It only has to be one? lol! Don't get me wrong I liked the movie, I've seen it twice, but there were a lot of minor things that I would like to be different. But yeah that biggest one would be Lupin's and Harry's fight....I think it shows a lot for his character, you know how he's reluctant to stay with Tonks because he thinks she's better of without him or how he's scared that the baby would be like him....but then Harry knocks some sense into him.....
Dunno I really think that was an important scene...probably Lupin's most important scene throughout the saga and they simply cut it off..... 
Anyway, I also agree that maybe the H/hr dance was way non canon and of course I miss the Dudley scene...
Also it kinda bothers me that Harry didn't found his mother's letter in Sirius' bedroom, though I can see why they'd cut this part off, but it was pretty emotional in the book and I was a bit disappointed there as well....
And, that's all  I completely agree with everything onar has said....
The Harry/Lupin fight, we could have more of an understanding about the Lupin story and also Harry/Dudley making friends...
and I know i'm being picky now....but Harry's birthday party, with the snitch cake !!
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11-22-2010, 06:17 PM
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add in the Petunia-Harry blood relation / protection bit. its an important detail that explains why Harry has to stay with the Durselys and why even when Voldemort rose to power again, he and the Death Eaters couldnt just walk in the front door and kill Harry no matter how strong they got. i've had a lot of logical friends (non-book readers) ask about that since OOTP. its really too bad that they didnt add that in. i dunno where in the DH2 they could still manage to include that (unless they add it as some sort of flashback sequence with Snape's memories), but its kinda unlikely. completely different thread of storytelling.
as for Harry and Dudley making peace, i'm still holding out for that because theres still the Epilogue. they could show the Christmas cards part in Harry's house when they leave to bring the kids to Kings Cross. i for one wouldnt mind if they added an extra bit where Dudley's kid ended up being magical, will come full circle on his part |
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11-22-2010, 06:21 PM
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I would change the clarity about where Harry stands with Hermione with the "she's like a sister" line. That would of corrected a lot of what i didnt care for in the film.
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11-22-2010, 07:59 PM
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xD I cannot help but find myself so amused so many of you found the Harry/Hermione scene out of canon  It never felt un-canon to me because, even though it never happened, it certainly seems the sort of thing that would happen between movie-Harry and Hermione. (Remember: the movies and the books still carry their own differences and thus characters are going to have slight changes in the movies. Harry and Hermione have shown a far more physical friendship; hand-holding, cuddly-hugging, etc. Harry goofing off to cheer up Hermione still seems quite in character of even book Harry for me.)
The Lupin fight being left out was a bit of a let down, yes, but I'm wondering if they'll maybe handle that somehow at Shell Cottage? I'm trying to remember - wasn't this when Lupin announced the birth? They can still announce it; not having known prior wouldn't be too much of a hindrance here, and I'm supposing they assumed we would put together: what sort of BIG NEWS could a newly wed couple have? We'll see how they handle it in the next movie and if they throw out the fight or not. Maybe they considered that too much heavy emotion for the movie? :/ I donno. Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelsheen add in the Petunia-Harry blood relation / protection bit. its an important detail that explains why Harry has to stay with the Durselys and why even when Voldemort rose to power again, he and the Death Eaters couldnt just walk in the front door and kill Harry no matter how strong they got. i've had a lot of logical friends (non-book readers) ask about that since OOTP. its really too bad that they didnt add that in. i dunno where in the DH2 they could still manage to include that (unless they add it as some sort of flashback sequence with Snape's memories), but its kinda unlikely. completely different thread of storytelling.
as for Harry and Dudley making peace, i'm still holding out for that because theres still the Epilogue. they could show the Christmas cards part in Harry's house when they leave to bring the kids to Kings Cross. i for one wouldnt mind if they added an extra bit where Dudley's kid ended up being magical, will come full circle on his part  I suppose! I'll be pleased if they find SOME way to show Dudley and Harry made peace, though I'll feel horribly cheated if it turns out they never show it. Apparently, Rowling has said Harry and Dudley wound up being friends eventually; they attended each others' weddings! HAHAH I WOULD BE SO AMUSED if Dudley turned out magical. And it wouldn't be TERRIBLY unlikely, either! Petunia's sister turned out a witch and birthed a wizard - for the magical genes to be within her and passed on to Dudley wouldn't be so surprising, really!
I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM MAKE UP, DARNIT! >: [
And you're right, about the whole lack of Petunia and the protection. All in all, it was an entire scene I felt shouldn't have been lifted. The Dursleys are so often shafted and, in a series where love and family is at the heart, I figured it would CERTAINLY make it! Not a gruff well SEE YA ROUND DDD: Quote:
Originally Posted by Vargaroth I would change the clarity about where Harry stands with Hermione with the "she's like a sister" line. That would of corrected a lot of what i didnt care for in the film. Unggggghhhhh yes. >:[ I think the controversy over the Harry/Hermione dance scene would diminish greatly if only Harry reminded SUP RON, I LOVE HER LIKE A SISTER.
As it is, many others have trouble grasping that "I love her like a sister" can pass barriers of normal blood-relationship, without treading in to romantic feelings. D: But I feel, had Harry used this ONE little line, Ron's doubts would have been completely cleared and viewers would have understood. :/ Alas.
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11-22-2010, 10:19 PM
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While for many reasons I agree with you about scenes that should not have been left out that is not what stuck with me. What I would change would be the scene with Ron destroying the locket (and I am not just referring to how shiny the made fake Harry and Hermione, though that did make me giggle at an odd place in the movie). I felt that the scene in the book was less dramatic yet more creepy and the movie drama spoiled the scene.
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11-22-2010, 10:45 PM
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I agree most of the posts here (about missing the Harry/Dudley apology scene, the Lupin/Harry argument, and Pettigrew dying), I haven't completely given up on possibly seeing these things still happen (or, in the case of the Lupin/Harry argument, make sure Lupin appears in Part 2 at Shell Cottage to annouce his son's birth). But another thing I was really looking forward to seeing was the Dumbledore/Grindelwald part of Rita Skeeter's book. I know it was kind of mentioned, and we still got Muriel to put those doubts into Harry's and the audience's mind about Dumbledore's goodness, but I really wanted to see it. I do understand why it wasn't there, and maybe they'll have something more with it in the last movie, but I was disappointed all the same. So that's what I'd add.
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11-22-2010, 10:50 PM
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They need to add the Harry/Lupin fight! I was looking so forward to that then it wasn't there and I was upset!  Oh and Krum not being at the wedding. That was upsetting to me. I thought Kingsley's patrounes was a lynx? Yet they didn't show it as that. The movie was still awesome without these parts though |
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11-22-2010, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Snape'sGirlThru&Thru I agree most of the posts here (about missing the Harry/Dudley apology scene, the Lupin/Harry argument, and Pettigrew dying), I haven't completely given up on possibly seeing these things still happen (or, in the case of the Lupin/Harry argument, make sure Lupin appears in Part 2 at Shell Cottage to annouce his son's birth). But another thing I was really looking forward to seeing was the Dumbledore/Grindelwald part of Rita Skeeter's book. I know it was kind of mentioned, and we still got Muriel to put those doubts into Harry's and the audience's mind about Dumbledore's goodness, but I really wanted to see it. I do understand why it wasn't there, and maybe they'll have something more with it in the last movie, but I was disappointed all the same. So that's what I'd add. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT WHILE I WAS READING TODAY! I just... ugggh. Why didn't they read excerpts? Why've they not planted that seed of doubt? I felt that was part of what made Harry's "death" so touching; that he was able to make up with Dumbledore. After the mess he was left in, all he had to deal with, this immense massive goose hunt with virtually NO CLUES and the such. I don't feel they've properly shown Harry's anger with Dumbledore. And not simply the horcruxes and Death Hallows, either, but also everything about Dumbledore Harry never knew, the man he was before he was even thought of.
It just seems this really set up for their reunion and I don't think it will mean as much. Don't get me wrong - it will still be utterly touching and sweet, I'm sure. But without Harry's anger, his near loathing, I think it'll lose the dynamic I really loved about that chapter. :/
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11-22-2010, 11:51 PM
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I kinda wish they would have added the whole Dursley leaving scene in the beggining. I just loved when Dudley actually shook Harry's hand and said goodbye. Seeing Ron's ghoul would have been pretty funny as well |
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11-23-2010, 12:03 AM
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I would have added the scene where Dudley redeemed himself and made the Dursley's exit more poignant. Would have had a few scenes at Hogwarts with Snape and the remains of Dumbledore's Army (Ginny, Neville, Luna up until Christmas) fighting the resistance of the Carrows. Had Dumbledore's family explained more, maybe have a few scenes of a younger Dumbledore with Kendra, Ariana and Aberforth living in Godric's Hollow. Would have had a scene showing the memorial statue to Harry, Lily and James. Would have made the Hogwarts Express scene longer and would have been good to see Luna being escorted from the train by Death Eaters. Potterwatch scene! Would have loved to have seen Griphook, Ted Tonks, Dirk Creswell, Dean and the other goblin sitting around chatting although you could argue it wouldn't be necessaey, they could be talking about Snape's reign as headmaster of Hogwarts, Carrows facing backlash from Ginny, Neville etc.
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11-23-2010, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hermione_loves_Ron I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT WHILE I WAS READING TODAY! I just... ugggh. Why didn't they read excerpts? Why've they not planted that seed of doubt? I felt that was part of what made Harry's "death" so touching; that he was able to make up with Dumbledore. After the mess he was left in, all he had to deal with, this immense massive goose hunt with virtually NO CLUES and the such. I don't feel they've properly shown Harry's anger with Dumbledore. And not simply the horcruxes and Death Hallows, either, but also everything about Dumbledore Harry never knew, the man he was before he was even thought of.
It just seems this really set up for their reunion and I don't think it will mean as much. Don't get me wrong - it will still be utterly touching and sweet, I'm sure. But without Harry's anger, his near loathing, I think it'll lose the dynamic I really loved about that chapter. :/ I hadn't thought about Harry's anger towards Dumbledore in the movie, but you're right, that wasn't really shown at all. The only time it's kind of hinted at is the scene with Muriel where she says "Are you sure you knew him at all?" and Harry has this really doubtful expression on his face. There is a line from Ron when they're first trying to destroy the locket horcrux where he says, "Doesn't it seem strange Dumbledore would tell you to find these horcruxes but not tell you how to destroy them?" and then another line from Ron during Harry and Ron's argument where he says, "I thought Dumbledore would've told you something worthwhile!" And while at least they are giving the audience some doubts about Dumbledore and why he'd send Harry on this wild goose chase without actually telling him anything that will help him find all the horcruxes, all these doubts come from Ron, not Harry.
Of course, I suppose we could consider the fact that Harry never defended Dumbledore when these lines were spoken, which could communicate his doubts and the fact that he agrees with Ron, but it really could have been much clearer, much more obvious than that.
I think the best way they could've done this would have been to show Kendra and Ariana Dumbledore's graves, and then, when Harry sees it, he could say something along the lines of "Why didn't he ever tell me about this?" with some kind of angry and/or hurt expression/tone of voice. It wouldn't take more than a minute, and it could have taken place just before Hermione finds Ignotus Peverell's grave, so it wouldn't have to interrupt the touching moment at James and Lily's graves after.
I wonder if they could remedy this in the second part? I'm not sure how or where they could implement it though...
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11-23-2010, 01:36 AM
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The movie fell very short of my expectations, with many scenes missing, like the whole Dudley line and Harry's birthday.
Also, having the radio around from the beginning, and excluding the Dean, Ted Tonks and Griphook scene... what was the problem of making things the way they were written in the book?
And what's with the dagger they came up pretending to be Gryffindor's sword?
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11-23-2010, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Snape'sGirlThru&Thru I hadn't thought about Harry's anger towards Dumbledore in the movie, but you're right, that wasn't really shown at all. The only time it's kind of hinted at is the scene with Muriel where she says "Are you sure you knew him at all?" and Harry has this really doubtful expression on his face. There is a line from Ron when they're first trying to destroy the locket horcrux where he says, "Doesn't it seem strange Dumbledore would tell you to find these horcruxes but not tell you how to destroy them?" and then another line from Ron during Harry and Ron's argument where he says, "I thought Dumbledore would've told you something worthwhile!" And while at least they are giving the audience some doubts about Dumbledore and why he'd send Harry on this wild goose chase without actually telling him anything that will help him find all the horcruxes, all these doubts come from Ron, not Harry.
Of course, I suppose we could consider the fact that Harry never defended Dumbledore when these lines were spoken, which could communicate his doubts and the fact that he agrees with Ron, but it really could have been much clearer, much more obvious than that.
I think the best way they could've done this would have been to show Kendra and Ariana Dumbledore's graves, and then, when Harry sees it, he could say something along the lines of "Why didn't he ever tell me about this?" with some kind of angry and/or hurt expression/tone of voice. It wouldn't take more than a minute, and it could have taken place just before Hermione finds Ignotus Peverell's grave, so it wouldn't have to interrupt the touching moment at James and Lily's graves after.
I wonder if they could remedy this in the second part? I'm not sure how or where they could implement it though... Yeah! I get all of that completely! I guess my biggest issue with this movie is so much is catered to those who have read the books and those who haven't wind up missing all these things they don't previously know. It seems Yates was going off the idea that people will deduce and reason, but a lot of people don't go to the movies to put two-and-two together. xD And if they're not RABID fans, then they may forget things or something slips their mind or they don't see that connection.
You're right: Yates probably assumed we'd father that Harry is upset with Dumbledore. But you don't get a real sense of that. Not in the meaningful way I think the book conveyed. And yeah, a simple gravestone for them to show Harry's bitter feelings wouldn't have been too hard to do. :/ Alas!
I'm hoping maybe Harry might BLOW UP with pent-up emotions in the next movie but we'll see. :/
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11-23-2010, 02:08 AM
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I wish the movie was longer to include more footage of Harry and Dudley, more of the wedding celebration, more time in Godrics Hollow and the death of Peter Pettigrew as it happened in the book. Loved the scene of Harry and Hermoine dancing. (Can't get that song out of my mind). I have seen the movie 3 times already and plan on seeing it many more times.
I do agree with the Harry/Lupin fight at the house being left out, the lack of info about Dumbledores family and why his Father killed the 3 muggle boys, Kendra and Ariana and Aberforth were almost totally eliminated. I do love the movies though and have set my countdown clock on my cell phone.
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11-23-2010, 02:29 AM
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i agree with everyone. lets tell the producers their first effort was very good but it had minor defects which we will correct them on,so they can issue pt1 again so we can all be happy. this will add about 60-90 minutes perhaps but we dont care because it will have everything in it we want.practical or not.the answer unfortunately is no it wont get done.
as for me the scene with harry and the durselys at the beginning would have set the tone for the film correct for me.
by the way do you realise that pt2 covers only 101 pages of the book.so if its a longish film it will be very accurate to the book i presume.have a nice day.
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11-23-2010, 04:51 AM
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I really wished they would have showed the goodbye scene between the Dursleys and Harry. Though Petunia's sorrowful face in the car made me burst out in tears! We all know deep down she loves Harry. As for the Lupin/Harry fight scene, hopefully they will add that in part 2! But I sincerely doubt it
But hey! Maybe the movies will be remade in 20 years time and then I can dress as McGonagall at premiere's. LOL.
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11-23-2010, 08:42 PM
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After Ron destroys the Horcrux I would take out his stupid little line and replace it with a huge emotional moment for both Harry and Ron. Ron, breaking down, crying, Harry, convincing Ron of his like-a-sister relationship with Hermione. A shaken Ron gets up, finally convinced of the truth. Harry, relieved that he has his best friend in the world back with him for good. It would have been a huge emotional punch in the face for the movie.
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Originally Posted by Ginny GL And what's with the dagger they came up pretending to be Gryffindor's sword? What dagger? That was definitely Gryffindor's sword that Harry and Ron found. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermione_loves_Ron Yeah! I get all of that completely! I guess my biggest issue with this movie is so much is catered to those who have read the books and those who haven't wind up missing all these things they don't previously know. It seems Yates was going off the idea that people will deduce and reason, but a lot of people don't go to the movies to put two-and-two together. xD And if they're not RABID fans, then they may forget things or something slips their mind or they don't see that connection.
You're right: Yates probably assumed we'd father that Harry is upset with Dumbledore. But you don't get a real sense of that. Not in the meaningful way I think the book conveyed. And yeah, a simple gravestone for them to show Harry's bitter feelings wouldn't have been too hard to do. :/ Alas!
I'm hoping maybe Harry might BLOW UP with pent-up emotions in the next movie but we'll see. :/ Very true. But I think regardless of what they do or do not put into these movies, the people who don't read the books as well miss lots of things anyway because the movies can't simply sit there and narrate everything for the audience and, especially with 4-7, it's literally impossible to cram every detail of the books into a 2 1/2 hour movie. Of course, the problem with that is that every detail matters (which is one of the things that makes the books so fun and wonderful to read), but something that can be flippantly stated in narration in a book can't be as easily mentioned in a movie where it's all about visuals. And of course, sadly, in this day and age, many people don't go to a movie to actually think; they just want to see cool CGI and watch things blow up. But...I'm not sure what my original point was anymore. It's in this paragraph somewhere, and I think I was mostly just agreeing with you.
Ahaha, I got the funniest mental image of Harry when I read "BLOW UP" in all caps  Anyway, on a more serious note, I just thought of a part they could possibly add in some of Harry anger towards Dumbledore - like maybe when they're at Shell Cottage and Harry's trying to figure out if Dumbledore really wanted him to get the horcruxes or the Hallows. Of course, Voldemort has already taken the Elder Wand, and Harry finally decided to stick with the horcruxes before that happened, but surely they could work in his indecision over it somehow, couldn't they?
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