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08-08-2011, 08:21 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Did anyone else notice how weird it was when Minerva told Filch to take the Slytherins to the dungeons? He was supposed to lead them and the young students to Aberforth!
This makes the whole scene weird and makes Minerva look bad. She would never allow first year students to fight Voldemort when he came, she was supposed to order all under age wizards away. The movie makes her seem very careless. I mean, it wouldn't have been so hard for Kloves to write that in. Ariana(I forgot how that is spelled) was already in the movie, the secret tunnel was already invented. So why disregard it?
Then moving on to the second problem with that scene. Why would she tell Filch to take the WHOLE house to the dungeon when only ONE student wanted to turn Harry in. You could use the famed cop out and say that the Slytherins probably supported Pansy. But there were no signs of that in the movie. Yes, some of them were sons and daughters of Death Eaters, but surely not all of them, which all together comprise one fourth of Hogwarts students. The more you look into it, the more immoral it is, and the more Minerva looks either like a dupe or a a typical dictator.
Now, I also have a problem with that because it directly contradicts something in the book, which happens right after the students are evacuated. I will quote a few sentences:
"_ attacking because they haven't handed you over, yeah," said Aberforth, "I'm not deaf, the whole of Hogsmeade heard him. And it never occurred to any of you to keep a few Slytherins hostage? There are kids of Death Eaters you've just sent to safety. Wouldn't it have been a bit smarter to keep 'em here?"
"It wouldn't stop Voldemort," said Harry, "and your brother would never have done it." Page 622.
So there is proof that it is out of character, for all of you who might not have read the book recently.
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08-22-2011, 08:30 PM
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| | Ghoul
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Wow, I bet few people even thought about that! If you look at it from a certain angle, yes, you're right. But I doubt all those students were going to stay there.
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08-23-2011, 08:30 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Yes, it does look bad doesn't it? There is no excuse for Yates and Kloves, I seriously wonder whose choice it was to do this. Maybe Kloves wrote it how it was supposed to be done, and Yates came and read it. Then he said "That doesn't sound epic enough! It sounds lame! It would be cooler and it would so justice to have them in the dungeons!" At least that is how I imagined it. But it may have been Kloves trying to give Minerva what he thought was a good line.
And to think that just a few days before it was releashed to the public, Ro said on Pottermore that many Slytherins were good and that they were more like Gryfindor than any other house was.
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08-29-2011, 08:30 PM
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| | Ghoul
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I wouldn't too hard on them. Especially not Yates. It is Kloves who writes everything.
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09-01-2011, 12:12 AM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Okay, I have to step in hear a moment about that Kloves comment. Kloves often is misjudged, he is often ordered by Yates to make changes.
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01-11-2012, 09:10 PM
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Did you see the deleted scene where they escaped?
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01-11-2012, 09:14 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Certainly. At least Filch got what he deserved. Humiliation. Too bad Minerva didn't get the same thing. Minerva declaring martial law on children reminds me too much of certain events that happen in real life.
I am happy tp see that this thread has over 670 views so far. I hope this thread has helped people to see that it wasn't really a noble scene.
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01-23-2012, 05:42 PM
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I am glad I wasn't the only one who didn't like this scene. It even goes against what's been preached over and over in the series: that it's our choices that defines us. By doing this, it is said that all Slytherins are por-Voldemort and, therefore, are "bad people". And I do remember in movie 5 when Sirius said that the world isn't divided in good and bad people. McGonagall in the movies didn't even let anyone volunteer. I think they messed up when trying to make it simpler.
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01-24-2012, 11:02 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Originally Posted by camilas I am glad I wasn't the only one who didn't like this scene. It even goes against what's been preached over and over in the series: that it's our choices that defines us. By doing this, it is said that all Slytherins are por-Voldemort and, therefore, are "bad people". And I do remember in movie 5 when Sirius said that the world isn't divided in good and bad people. McGonagall in the movies didn't even let anyone volunteer. I think they messed up when trying to make it simpler.
And I'm glad to find another person who feels the same way.  This scene might have been better served as an example of what happens when you become the very thing you fight. The whole message of tolerance was attacked.
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01-26-2012, 03:37 PM
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Agreed! The things they change for the movies... I don't even know why they created this whole Great Hall scene anyway. I think it could have been better written.
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01-29-2012, 11:37 PM
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| | Hinkypunk
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Originally Posted by camilas Agreed! The things they change for the movies... I don't even know why they created this whole Great Hall scene anyway. I think it could have been better written. I suppose it was to add drama. It's a real shame, as the rest of the movie was awesome.
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05-05-2012, 09:23 PM
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| | Ghoul
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Bump. It would be interesting to see what people who didn't mind the scene would say.
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