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09-04-2007, 02:08 AM
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Uwa Naoke Department of Mysteries | STFC Discussion #1: Got Prophecy? Discussion Topic Number One What if Sibyll Trelawney never prophecied about the Dark Lord and Harry Potter (?)? What if Severus Snape heard nothing? What if Harry never recieved the scar because the Dark Lord knew nothing of the now nonexistant prophecy? |
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Uwa Naoke Department of Mysteries | Essays are acceptable, in fact they are encouraged! Thanks for the reply, Wendy! Well, when you think about how Sybill's prophecy effected things there are lots of things that would have been very different. First off: Voldemort would not have 'died' for lack of a better word. Harry would not be the one and only person to have ever survived the Killing curse. He wouldn't have that scar. But what else? Voldemort might have continued to gain more and more power! Would he have ever been defeated? Would Harry's parents have survived through the war? Who would have died? What people that we know now from the books, wouldn't have been there??? Sirius wouldn't have spent his time in Azkaban and maybe Wormtail wouldn't have been discovered as a spy. I'll post a real essay later on. My brain is too fried right now. |
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Hmm, I don't have time for a long winded reply, not yet anyway, but here's part of it.
Harry: Would grow up happy and loved by all his family, would visit Diagon Alley every few weeks and know more magic than he did when he first found out he was a wizard. He would fall in love quicker with no worries on his back, and his parents would watch him grow happy and healthy.
Sirius: Would get out of Azkaban once the Ministry realized they made a huge mistake. He would get a huge pension for his incarceration, and move in with the Potters, watching Harry and his siblings grow up. Or he'd settle down with his true love and have little babies of his own
Lily and James: Would have another child, a girl and name her Daisy, and she would grow up healthy and loved, knowing she had a big brother to protect her. They would grow old together and die peacfully in their sleep many years in the future after their kids are grown
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Mackayla G. Dawson First Year | Well, Harry would probably grow up like a normal wizard. He wouldn't have everyone gawking at him. But Aria's right to say that Voldemort might've gotton more power. Then what? Lily and James might die anyway. Then Harry would be back to where he would be if Sibyll had made the prophecy- parentless and living with the Dursleys. Maybe Sirius would make it, but he might not. I think that some things would stay the same, some get better, and some get worse.
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Peter: Would be boiled in rat stew and eaten by Shrek! *yum*
Harry: He would have grown up normally, he'd be a normal teenager who's naive and stupid around girls I always thought Harry would prefer commitment in a relationship, mostly because of the lack of love in his life *cries* But if he had his parents he'd be typicaly and run away from commitment like most teenage boys *rolls eyes*
Sirius: He would still be James's best friend and godfather to Harry, probably married and stuff with a little kid for Harry to play with aww bless...
Lily and James: They would continue to be cute until there dying day, which would be a long time away... *huggles everyone*
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09-09-2007, 07:20 PM
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Well I think everything would be diffrent. I dont think Harry wouldve met Ron and Hermione first of all. Because for one thing, when he was on the train he sat alone cause he didnt know anbody. But if he lived with his parents they would probably live next to people who had kids. So Harry would know people before he went to school. Then his compartment wouldnt have been empty for Ron to enter. He never would of fallen in love with Ginny, cause he hadnt grown up with her.
I dont think he wouldve been as close to Hagrid as he is now. Hagrid is the one who took Harry away from the Dursley's. That was one reason he liked Hagrid so much, plus he helped him when they went to Diagon alley. But if Harry had his parents, he wouldnt need hagrid to take him. I also think he never would of got Hedwig, cause well Hagrid was the one who bought for him.
Sirius would yes get realized, and I see him being close to Harry still, but it wouldnt be as much as he is now. It would just be his godfather. Sirius meant a lot to Harry because he was like his father figure to him. But if he already has a father, well that gets squashed.
So I think Harry's life would be really happy with his parents still alive, and no worries about hunting down Voldermort, but it would still be a little empty. I dont know which life is better for him...
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09-10-2007, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ari Harry: Would grow up happy and loved by all his family, would visit Diagon Alley every few weeks and know more magic than he did when he first found out he was a wizard. He would fall in love quicker with no worries on his back, and his parents would watch him grow happy and healthy. I don't know about this. I think that without the prophecy (and without Snape over hearing), Voldemort would not have fallen. Harry might even end up living in a world much like the world we saw in DH. I think that there would still be those who opposed him, but I think his power would have grown immensly. We can't sugar coat what was. When Voldemort was first in power, it was bad and he was taking over. He had Death Eaters in the Ministry, spying. Snape wouldn't need a reason to become a spy for Dumbledore because Lily wouldn't have been targetted. Perhaps, later on something would have happened though. The other thing is, Diagon Alley wouldn't be all to safe. His parents may be able to raise him, which would change Harry immensley, but they would all have worries. Harry would grow up knowing the terror the Dark Lord wrought and perhaps his parents would say the name, but what if he didn't? He might not be the same Harry-- well, he definitely wouldn't be the same Harry. I think that it's a very happy thought that wihtout the prophecy, Harry would have been happy, but it's misguided because in all honesty, Voldemort would have been able to continue taking over and perhaps make that seventh Horcrux out of something that was not Harry. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari the Monkey Sirius: Would get out of Azkaban once the Ministry realized they made a huge mistake. He would get a huge pension for his incarceration, and move in with the Potters, watching Harry and his siblings grow up. Or he'd settle down with his true love and have little babies of his own  Ah, I see. Well, this can't be right because without hte prophecy, Lily and James have no reason to go into hiding and no reason to get a Secret Keeper, thus Wormtail may have continued spying without being caught for a long while. Lily and James worked in the Order in secret, but Wormtail was also a spy. The danger would continue and it would be very real. Sirius would not have gone to Azkaban at all and Wormtail would have continued his spy work, with a master to report to. I doubt that Sirius would have moved in with Harry and his family. He's an adult and can take care of himself. I could see him maybe having a family later on, but I think at the time, he wasn't thinking about that. I think a lot of what happened in HBP between Tonks and Lupin, Harry and Ginny was in the rush of war and not as real as it could have been without the war. Perhaps Sirius would have also met someone and in the rush of war gotten married and started a family. Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessAri Lily and James: Would have another child, a girl and name her Daisy, and she would grow up healthy and loved, knowing she had a big brother to protect her. They would grow old together and die peacfully in their sleep many years in the future after their kids are grown Ah... now I have to disagree ( again). Maybe they would have another child and grow old together, but the likely-hood of the war ending anytime soon without the prophecy is slim. I think that starting a family during war isn't exactly the best idea and sort of selfish and dangerous. I think after Harry they would wait, not to say that Harry might not end up with siblings. It is possible. Very. However, the possiblity of living a peaceful and long life isn't as likely with a war still in the process. This one I disagree with the least, because they could easily have a child. I don't know about the name... but I think it would be nice for Lily and James to be able to continue living with a nice family and dying happily. However, Voldemort would have to be gone, the war over for any kind of peace and for the possibility of them growing old together. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sally'sMustang Well I think everything would be diffrent. I dont think Harry wouldve met Ron and Hermione first of all. Because for one thing, when he was on the train he sat alone cause he didnt know anbody. But if he lived with his parents they would probably live next to people who had kids. So Harry would know people before he went to school. Then his compartment wouldnt have been empty for Ron to enter. He never would of fallen in love with Ginny, cause he hadnt grown up with her. I don't see why he wouldn't have met Ron. Hermione is a possiblity because of her muggle heritage. It would most likely turn into the world we saw in DH and thus a Muggle Registration act is very likely. They might not allow Hermione into Hogwarts even. But, the Weasleys were in the Order the firs time round. They are pure-bloods. Harry's family would ascioate with other wizards and witches and Harry would probably meet Ron earlier as well as Ginny, although I think Ginny's infatuation would become nonexistant with Harry's lack of fame. Her interest would die. Harry could easily have grown up with many wizards in his life, including the Weasleys. Who else would have have known? He would know about the Malfoys way before Hogwarts, he'd know the Diggorys and the Prewetts... and many families. He would have friends growing up, but he would still live in fear because Voldemort would still be in power. You have to remember that in the Wizarding world, everyone knows everyone in a manner of speaking. Many of the old pureblood families know each other and many of these people went to Hogwarts together. Quote:
Originally Posted by Steph So I think Harry's life would be really happy with his parents still alive, and no worries about hunting down Voldermort, but it would still be a little empty. I dont know which life is better for him... I think that though he could have his parents, his life would be far from 'worry free and happy' Voldemort may not have hunted him down, but that means Voldemort also wouldn't have fallen and life as we know it would change. I think, in all honesty, life in general would be better with the prophecy occuring than without. However, the next thing to wonder is: Would Harry still have the power to defeat the Dark Lord without the prophecy? Maybe he wouldn't know it, but I think he still would. His life with the Dursleys versus his life with his mum and dad... well, he would be different. He wouldn't have been abused; he would have had friends; he wouldn't have suddend fame and responsibility dumped on him; he would be growing up in the time of war.... There's a lot to consider. Thanks everyone for replying and keeping the activity up! Your responces have been great and they keep the discussion going! Don't be afraid to disagree and quote! As long as it's friendly it's great! Keep up the great discussion everyone! Your ideas are wonderful!
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Originally Posted by Awsome Aria But, the Weasleys were in the Order the firs time round. They are pure-bloods. Harry's family would ascioate with other wizards and witches and Harry would probably meet Ron earlier as well as Ginny, although I think Ginny's infatuation would become nonexistant with Harry's lack of fame. Her interest would die. Ah you have a point. But I do agree with you on the Ginny part. She wouldnt find Harry intersting. So he couldve still made friends with Ron, but I dont see Hermione coming into the picture, well because she was a muggle born. Quote:
Originally Posted by Who else but Aria! However, the next thing to wonder is: Would Harry still have the power to defeat the Dark Lord without the prophecy? Maybe he wouldn't know it, but I think he still would. I dont think so. 
All the bad things that happened to Harry over the years made Harry stronger and made him smart. But without those experinces, he wouldnt be able to do it. He learned how to do a patrouns at a young age, which came in handy for him later on. I dont think he would of learned in his third year, because the dementors would affect him and much because his parents would be alive.
He also wouldnt have learned to be so good at DADA. Yeah I think he would still be pretty proficent at them, but he wouldnt be as good as he is now. He became really good at DADA because he practiced first hand in almost every year at Hogwarts. He learned from the experinces.
I just dont see him being able to stand up to Voldermort like he does in DH. For one thing he wouldnt have the hatred of his parents death over his head, or Sirius or Dumbledore. He would just be scared little boy wanting his mommy 
And I totally agree with you again Aria. There is a lot to consider 
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he definitely wouldn't be the same Harry.
*gasp* That would be awful, I love Harry the way he is, the anger he has makes him uber cute I'm not sure I'd still want to hug him all the time if he was normal *huggles ickle Harry the cutest*
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Uwa Naoke Department of Mysteries | I like what you say here, but I disagree with it. Whose to say Harry's parents will still be alive. He may grow up with them, but they may end up dying because Voldemort will have taken over. Without his demise his power would only increase. What really needs to be thought about is what other bad experiences will Harry Potter have when he is just Harry James Potter-- not the Boy Who Lived or the Chosen One. What terrible experiences will he have and how will they effect him. I believe that at the core of our existance, where we start, we are the same person. As for example, I was born and raised and I was this happy person with a few sad things in my head, but then bad things happened, I gained experience and learned a lot, but at the core of my being, I am still the same Aria as ever. I've just had things mold my perception of things a bit and learned things. I don't know if that makes sense. Okay, let me try again. Harry grew up with his aunt and uncle and cousin and they treated him terribly. He was not the spoilt little child, who knew of his fame and power or anything. He was just a wide-eyed muggle-raised boy, with a huge heart. Harry raised by Lily and James knows of magic and has a loving home and friends. He isn't spoilt, but he has never been abused or hurt by his family or friends, but he lives in dark times early on in life. He may have a mother and father, but an evil wizard is taking over and scaring people and killing and doing terrible things. Harry's parents fight against him and he learns from them what strenght is, what it means to fight for your ideas, for what is right. He may be more Slytherin or less Slytherin, either way, he knows that Lord Voldemort is a bad man and should be stopped. Maybe sometimes, he pretends to be an Auror while playing with friends and pretends he can defeat the Dark Lord. His dad and godfather taught him to not fear the name, so he isn't afraid to say 'Voldemort' because is strong like his daddy. He's lost friends and family, but he knows that someday, Voldemort will be stopped. Sometimes, he thinks he'll be the one to do it because he hates Voldemort for what he's done to the world. His mommy tells him stories about what a good life without evil could be and he wants that. He wants his parents to stay with him and be happy... He is afraid of things though. Dementors still effect him because he has grown up in such a dark world. He works harder than ever to become strong. The Marauders Map is found at Hogwarts and Harry learnd from his dad that he helped make it. He gets his father's invisibility cloak, his wand has the same core as Voldemorts.... The things that mold us are our experiences. Harry will not be able to live a normal life with Voldemort in power. His experiences will be different, but he will learn essentially the same things because at his center, at his very core, at the heart of Harry Potter lies a hero. I think I just rambled. hahahaha. I sort of want to take this discussion and turn it into a fic. Which, I've already outlined... I just won't start for a while.... heehee. I like your point, Stephy, even if I do disagree with it. It's vaild, but it's so hard to say that when we can't be sure of what events would have taken place in Harry's life. Oh, I just had an epiphany for my story... mauahahahahahaha! Anywho, great job discussing gusy! Keep up the good work! |
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Originally Posted by The one and only Whose to say Harry's parents will still be alive. He may grow up with them, but they may end up dying because Voldemort will have taken over. Without his demise his power would only increase. Hmmmmmmmm........
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Originally Posted by Captian Aria I believe that at the core of our existance, where we start, we are the same person. As for example, I was born and raised and I was this happy person with a few sad things in my head, but then bad things happened, I gained experience and learned a lot, but at the core of my being, I am still the same Aria as ever. I've just had things mold my perception of things a bit and learned things.
I don't know if that makes sense. It makes complete sense 
But what is it to say that just because he isnt the boy who lives hw would turn out exactly like he is now? Without the experience of watching his parents die when he was younger changes him. He has to that to take with him when he goes up against Voldermort. He might still have that if say his parents got killed a diffrent way but still by Voldermort in the long run, but I just think it would of been way diffrent.
Like say for instance I never talked to my Aunt who got me to read the second HP book. If I never saw her I wouldnt have read the book, fell in love and found this wonderful sight 
But I see what you are saying. I couldve still found myself reading the book without my aunt at all, but what if I never went in that direction? Same with Harry. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hmm I wonder who... He's lost friends and family, but he knows that someday, Voldemort will be stopped. Sometimes, he thinks he'll be the one to do it because he hates Voldemort for what he's done to the world. His mommy tells him stories about what a good life without evil could be and he wants that. He wants his parents to stay with him and be happy... But whos to say that Harry would still have the kind of bravery that he has now? Im not saying Harry would be a chicken, but I think he gets certain amount of his bravery from past experinces.
He could have the bravery and defeat Voldermort, but who says he will? And while we are on the subject of somebody defeating Voldermort, if the prophecy wasnt about Harry, there couldve been one about somebody else. Whos to say, that this person is the one to vanquish the Dark lord. And Harry is just a normal kid so he would just be like everybody else with dreams to have a peaceful life with no evil... Quote:
Originally Posted by Three guesses who...
He is afraid of things though. Dementors still effect him because he has grown up in such a dark world. He works harder than ever to become strong. The Marauders Map is found at Hogwarts and Harry learnd from his dad that he helped make it. He gets his father's invisibility cloak, his wand has the same core as Voldemorts.... But once again, what if there is another prophecy about Voldermort and another kid? That kid would be the one to go up against Voldermort and Harry would just be a bystander.
Yeah Harry might have the same core but what if it didnt matter?
What if Harry helped the "new chosen one" with the objects he has (The invisibilty cloak, mauders map etc.) Harry could be the new Ron!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Was it me? nope! I think I just rambled. hahahaha. I sort of want to take this discussion and turn it into a fic. Which, I've already outlined... I just won't start for a while.... heehee. I totally want to read this FF!! 
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Originally Posted by If you said Aria your correct! I like your point, Stephy, even if I do disagree with it. It's vaild, but it's so hard to say that when we can't be sure of what events would have taken place in Harry's life. Heeeheeee....
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Originally Posted by Wendy!!! *gasp* That would be awful, I love Harry the way he is, the anger he has makes him uber cute I'm not sure I'd still want to hug him all the time if he was normal *huggles ickle Harry the cutest* 
You wouldnt hug him if he was normal? 
*wipes tear away*
That was great Wendy
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Originally Posted by MyFavouriteDebater It makes complete sense 
But what is it to say that just because he isnt the boy who lives hw would turn out exactly like he is now? Without the experience of watching his parents die when he was younger changes him. He has to that to take with him when he goes up against Voldermort. He might still have that if say his parents got killed a diffrent way but still by Voldermort in the long run, but I just think it would of been way diffrent.
Like say for instance I never talked to my Aunt who got me to read the second HP book. If I never saw her I wouldnt have read the book, fell in love and found this wonderful sight 
But I see what you are saying. I couldve still found myself reading the book without my aunt at all, but what if I never went in that direction? Same with Harry. Oh, but I don't think he'll be the exact same. I think my thought was only half formed. I mean, a lot of who we are are those experiences, but at the core we are essentially ourselves no matter what. For example, Snape. Despite his love for Lily, he was still the same person, he just did what he felt he had to because of Lily's death. He would have been a Death Eater if not for her death. But even with her death, he still believe the same things... You know? I think that since everything would change, Harry would too. It's just how. For all we know, he could be in Slytherin! hehe. You know? But at the same time, he would still have that Gryffindor aspect to him. I wonder if the Slytherin was just the hat sensing Voldemort's soul??? Very off topic... anywho.... I think, that Sybill's prophecy wouldn't have been repeated in regards to another because I think in all honesty it really could only be Harry. And remember, this was before he experienced all that. He had the power from birth. I think that he is essentially the only who could have ever stopped him, even with all that help that he got. But yes, I do think he'd be very different. Less happy, I think. Very hard-faced, very untrusting... but essentially Harry. Quote:
Originally Posted by NoneOtherThan But whos to say that Harry would still have the kind of bravery that he has now? Im not saying Harry would be a chicken, but I think he gets certain amount of his bravery from past experinces.
He could have the bravery and defeat Voldermort, but who says he will? And while we are on the subject of somebody defeating Voldermort, if the prophecy wasnt about Harry, there couldve been one about somebody else. Whos to say, that this person is the one to vanquish the Dark lord. And Harry is just a normal kid so he would just be like everybody else with dreams to have a peaceful life with no evil... I honestly think he would still be brave. Living in a time of war is hard. I've never had to but putting myself as deep into the story as I have... I get a feeling for it and as an actor, I'm glad I can do that-- otherwise, performances would suck! hahaha. But, I think his courage is born of more than just those experiences. I think it's ingrained in his very soul. He makes choices and sometimes they aren't always good... but I think no matter what he'd still willingly be the weapon to stop the Dark Lord. I do think he'd be 'normal' in the sense that he wouldn't be the only to have survived the Killing Curse and he wouldn't be famous, but I think he'd still b strong. Also, remember that growing up with the Dursley's the entire time he had to be brave. That bravery was there from the very start. Quote:
Originally Posted by MyLovelyLadyMustang But once again, what if there is another prophecy about Voldermort and another kid? That kid would be the one to go up against Voldermort and Harry would just be a bystander.
Yeah Harry might have the same core but what if it didnt matter?
What if Harry helped the "new chosen one" with the objects he has (The invisibilty cloak, mauders map etc.) Harry could be the new Ron!! Er.. hahahaha. That is too funny. I love that! You are so great! Where do you come up with this!??!?! heehee. Sidekick! heehee. I love it. Seriously. I cannot see it, but it's a very interesting thought. Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureReader I totally want to read this FF!! 
And I think I have been rambling over you rambling  Yes! A potential reader!!! Woo hoo!!!!!! I'll have to send it to you once I write it and put it up... it will not be meant for SS. I haven't written anything meant for SS in a long while... heehee. Partly why I haven't updated my fics on this site... I need to do that... arg... Anywho, I have another point to make on the subject of the prophecy. When Voldemort heard the prophecy from Snape, he thought that it was Harry without a doubt. Why? I mean... it could have been Neville... but Neville didn't come into his own till seventh year. So why Harry? Would Harry, the half-blood like him, still been as big a threat? Would he have needed a prophecy to think it's Harry? We know that it was between Harry and Neville, so why did he choose Harry? I think that Harry's fate was definitely decided by Voldemort more than that prophecy. Voldemort could have done like Harry said and waited to see if Harry or Neville posed more of a threat... but he didn't. I think in all honesty, if Voldemort had taken over, he would have been very wary of those who would try and end him. Anywho, I can't wait to read your replies, everyone!!!! (Especially you, Steph) |
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Originally Posted by ARIA! I think that since everything would change, Harry would too. It's just how. For all we know, he could be in Slytherin! hehe. You know? But at the same time, he would still have that Gryffindor aspect to him. I wonder if the Slytherin was just the hat sensing Voldemort's soul??? Ohhhh!!! *goes off topic too*
I think that was exactly what the sorting hat saw. He had part of Voldermort's soul, so the sorting hat saw potential for Slytherin. But that wasnt Harry at all. The one who was saying "Not slytherin, anything but slytherin" was the real Harry.
I knew when the hat was trying to put Harry into slytherin it was because of Voldermort. I completely forgot that part of Voldermort's soul was inside Harry. So we have finally agreed on something Quote:
Originally Posted by The best debater ever! I think, that Sybill's prophecy wouldn't have been repeated in regards to another because I think in all honesty it really could only be Harry. And remember, this was before he experienced all that. He had the power from birth. I think that he is essentially the only who could have ever stopped him, even with all that help that he got. But yes, I do think he'd be very different. Less happy, I think. Very hard-faced, very untrusting... but essentially Harry. Ok I see what your saying.
But whos to say there wouldnt be another prophecy? Since Harry is normal and has nothing to do with Voldermort, there has to be somebody who is going to vanquish the dark lord. (This is pretending that Harry is really just a nobody)
There is going to be somebody, somewhere that is going to be a threat to Voldermort. So nautrally a prophecy is going to be made.
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Originally Posted by *Should be on a debate team* But, I think his courage is born of more than just those experiences. I think it's ingrained in his very soul. He makes choices and sometimes they aren't always good... but I think no matter what he'd still willingly be the weapon to stop the Dark Lord. Ok, I nod my head to the last part. But what if hypothetically there was a "New chosen one".
He would just be in awe at this person like people were of him, and he would cheer for him to get rid of Voldermort.
Most of all the stuff Im saying is hypothetically. So I probably agree with you on most parts, but I always like to throw in "what ifs". "What ifs" are so agravating. Thats probably why I say them Quote:
Originally Posted by *Loves the Aria*" Er.. hahahaha. That is too funny. I love that! You are so great! Where do you come up with this!??!?! heehee. Sidekick! heehee. I love it. Seriously. I cannot see it, but it's a very interesting thought. Heehee...
I dont see it either, I was just saying 
And where do I come up with this stuff you ask?
Well I have a lot of practice 
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Originally Posted by Future writer Yes! A potential reader!!! Woo hoo!!!!!!
I'll have to send it to you once I write it and put it up... it will not be meant for SS. I haven't written anything meant for SS in a long while... heehee. Partly why I haven't updated my fics on this site... I need to do that... arg... Cant wait to read it Quote:
Originally Posted by YouJustWantMeToRamble When Voldemort heard the prophecy from Snape, he thought that it was Harry without a doubt. Why? I mean... it could have been Neville... but Neville didn't come into his own till seventh year. So why Harry? Would Harry, the half-blood like him, still been as big a threat?
Would he have needed a prophecy to think it's Harry? We know that it was between Harry and Neville, so why did he choose Harry? I think that Harry's fate was definitely decided by Voldemort more than that prophecy. Voldemort could have done like Harry said and waited to see if Harry or Neville posed more of a threat... but he didn't. I think in all honesty, if Voldemort had taken over, he would have been very wary of those who would try and end him. How here we go...
You just want me to talk and talk dont you Aria 
Snape immediatly thought it was Harry not because of the whole half blood thing (that was more Voldermort if anything, that was essentially why he chose Harry as his "equal" in the first place) but because Lily was his mother. We all know Snape had more than a crush on our Lily Potter ( ), so when he heard the prophecy was about Harry or Neville he didnt think twice about who it was. He made the connection to Harry because of Lily.
hmmm....Heres some thinking for you 
What if (here I go with the "What ifs" again ) Snape just pushed it into Voldermort's mind that it was Harry. Maybe he had hoped that Voldermort would kill Harry and James, and then leave Lily all alone. Then he could have her all to himself. But his plan backfired when Lily got killed too.
After the love his life was killed, he saw the error in his ways and crossed over. This would explain the hatred for Harry too. I mean yeah we know that he hated him because of James, but what if it was because it was just because Harry remindes him of a plan that backfired on him?
I can really get into this one too. But I wont go on any further, maybe later 
And yes I agree with you whole heartedly that Voldermort chose Harry more than the prophecy chose him. I dont even have any "What ifs" to that 
Heehee...
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Originally Posted by OffTopicABit Ohhhh!!! *goes off topic too*
I think that was exactly what the sorting hat saw. He had part of Voldermort's soul, so the sorting hat saw potential for Slytherin. But that wasnt Harry at all. The one who was saying "Not slytherin, anything but slytherin" was the real Harry.
I knew when the hat was trying to put Harry into slytherin it was because of Voldermort. I completely forgot that part of Voldermort's soul was inside Harry. So we have finally agreed on something  I'm so glad you always reply! hahaha! You're a very good discusser! I still think Harry had a bit of Slytherin in him, not just because of Voldemort, but because of himself. I mean, we can't all be 100% Gryffindor. You're telling me. Yes, Aria, is right. And she should know. After all, she's only 50%. But yeah... I think maybe that was another hint towards Harry's connection with Voldemort, but I can't be sure, because I think he certainly isn't all that pure and sweet. Quote:
Originally Posted by OhSoReliableForAGoodDebate But who's to say there wouldnt be another prophecy? Since Harry is normal and has nothing to do with Voldermort, there has to be somebody who is going to vanquish the dark lord. (This is pretending that Harry is really just a nobody)
There is going to be somebody, somewhere that is going to be a threat to Voldermort. So nautrally a prophecy is going to be made. Ah, but what makes you so sure there would be anyone else? Also, remember how many prophecies were in the Hall of Prophecy in the Department of Mysteries? And how not all of them came true? That prophecy was only part of the reason why Harry became who he became. Another reason was because Snape overheard and reported to Voldemort. And of course, because Voldemort believed it was Harry himself the prophecy referred to and lastly, because Wormtail was a traitor. The prophecy only kicked started something. And who is to say there has to be someone to stop him? What makes you think there is an ending to Voldemort's evil? How many people are like Harry? Really? Truly? He's rare? How many people were willing to say Voldemort before the seventh book? Not many. I think I could count them all on one hand.... Dumbledore, Harry, Sirius, Lupin and Hermione. But why 'naturally'? Why does a prophecy have to be made? What power was there that made it possible for the prophecy to exist. Now we get into something even deeper. What made the prophecy? *which gives me an idea for a discussion* Something pushes the prophecy into action... some greater power probably sends that vision to Sybill, once there is something powerful enough to effect the Universe. Harry's birth was a power expected-- his power was the root of the prophecy. That prophecy existed because of his birth and the powers that be saw fit to send it to those who needed the information. But they can't control everything because then we would lack free-will. Also, names were not mentioned, it was a guessing game once it was spoken because who is born at the end of June? Who has parents who thriced defied the Dark Lord? That's something important to remember. Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephy But what if hypothetically there was a "New chosen one".
He would just be in awe at this person like people were of him, and he would cheer for him to get rid of Voldermort. Ah, again it comes back to the idea of why does there need to be someone that can defeat him? Why couldn't he just be left to rule? It goes back to the why. Why was the prophecy made in the first place? Why does there need to be a replacement? A different propechy? And I don't really see Harry as the type to be in awe. Cheering on... perhaps... but I think he would be the type to join in and help. Quote:
Originally Posted by MustangRide Snape immediatly thought it was Harry not because of the whole half blood thing (that was more Voldermort if anything, that was essentially why he chose Harry as his "equal" in the first place) but because Lily was his mother. We all know Snape had more than a crush on our Lily Potter ( ), so when he heard the prophecy was about Harry or Neville he didnt think twice about who it was. He made the connection to Harry because of Lily. Ah, but I think you forget that Snape only overheard the prophecy, he didn't actually insinuate that it was Harry. Voldemort did that and thus, Snape pleaded for Lily's life because he didn't want her hurt, but then she died anyway. Voldemort came to the conclusion that the son of Lily and James Potter, the boy who would be a half-blood, would be his down-fall and thus acted rashly and made the prophecy true. I can't wait for your reply! This is really great! I love your replies! They are very well thought out! |
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Originally Posted by Hmmmm... But yeah... I think maybe that was another hint towards Harry's connection with Voldemort, but I can't be sure, because I think he certainly isn't all that pure and sweet. Hmm...I like how you put that. Harry isnt all pure and sweet...I think I like that a lot.
You are right about that. But I dont see any slytherin in Harry (except the whole Parseltounge, and the link with Voldermort [which I think he got both from Voldermort.]) I might see a little ravenclaw (skill wise) and maybe even a little Hufflepuff (his shy ways with girls), but I dont see any "true" evilness in him, which I believe all slytherins are made up of one way or another. Quote:
Originally Posted by Why not? Ah, but what makes you so sure there would be anyone else? Because, say for instance Harry does nothing at all. Is the wizardy world just going to sit by while they let Voldemort take over and be controled by him? Somebody is going to want to put an end to it. They are not going to take listening to this evil guy anymore. They will stand up to him and put an end to this evil.
Just like all those dicators in history. They stand in power for a little while then somebody rebels and put a stop to it all. So since Harry (for instance) doesnt do it, somebody else has to. Because that is what history tells us. Quote:
Originally Posted by Always has a good comeback And who is to say there has to be someone to stop him? What makes you think there is an ending to Voldemort's evil? How many people are like Harry? Really? Truly? He's rare? How many people were willing to say Voldemort before the seventh book? Not many. I think I could count them all on one hand.... Because! There has to be an arch somewhere! It cant just be and evil world forever. Just like the world cant be peaceful forever. Its a whole postive/negative thing. It may not be in Harry's time or in his childrens time, but someone would put a stop to the evil in the world and it would be peaceful again. Then once again (It may be soon after, or even a hundred years later) the evil side would take control again until the good side is able to get it back. You see what Im saying?
The world cant stay evil for the rest of its being. There will always be someone who is good and pure that fights back and vice versa. This time around the prophecy made out that it was "a child born at the end of July and from two people who have thrice defied him." Making it out as Harry or Neville. Yeah, the prophecy wasnt what made Harry vanquish the Voldermort, but it was a stepping stone.
When the Prohecy was made, it was because it knew that somebody was going to vanquish the Dark Lord one way or another. Even if the prohecy was never heard, it was going to happen (most likely). If it didnt, then it would most likely happen later on in life.
But Harry being who he was, it was going to happen 
Also, Dumbledore, Harry, Sirius, Lupin and Hermione, were the only people "known" who said his name. J.K never said if other people ever said his name. (I doubt it that anybody else did too, but still )
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Originally Posted by I love your ideas Something pushes the prophecy into action... some greater power probably sends that vision to Sybill, once there is something powerful enough to effect the Universe. Harry's birth was a power expected-- his power was the root of the prophecy. That prophecy existed because of his birth and the powers that be saw fit to send it to those who needed the information. But they can't control everything because then we would lack free-will. Also, names were not mentioned, it was a guessing game once it was spoken because who is born at the end of June? Who has parents who thriced defied the Dark Lord? OHH!! I like this idea too The some greater power sent the vision to her. Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDebateQueen Ah, again it comes back to the idea of why does there need to be someone that can defeat him? Why couldn't he just be left to rule? It goes back to the why. Why was the prophecy made in the first place? Why does there need to be a replacement? A different propechy? Because if Harry doesnt do it somebody has to do it 
It all goes back to what I said before. It cant always be one or the other forever. Evil would have to end sometime. So if Harry doesnt do it somebody has to do it (:rollseyes: are you tired of me saying that yet? )
There maybe not be another "prophecy" necessaily. But there would have to be a replacement (This is all being said that Harry doesnt do it). Because come on, Voldermort isnt going to wake up one day and say "Hmmm...I dont want to be evil anymore. Lets be a peaceful world." *Walks in replacement* Quote:
Originally Posted by AriaIsTheBest And I don't really see Harry as the type to be in awe. Cheering on... perhaps... but I think he would be the type to join in and help. Ok you got me there 
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Originally Posted by Ope! SheGotMeAgain Ah, but I think you forget that Snape only overheard the prophecy, he didn't actually insinuate that it was Harry. Voldemort did that and thus, Snape pleaded for Lily's life because he didn't want her hurt, but then she died anyway.
Voldemort came to the conclusion that the son of Lily and James Potter, the boy who would be a half-blood, would be his down-fall and thus acted rashly and made the prophecy true. Oh yeah I forgot that he only heard part of the prophecy. (Well I remembered but then I didnt ) but Snape was probably happy that he chose Harry a little bit. (But then again maybe not ) I dont know, even I dont believe me sometimes 
I agree with you on the last part 
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Originally Posted by FlyingMustang Hmm...I like how you put that. Harry isnt all pure and sweet...I think I like that a lot.
You are right about that. But I dont see any slytherin in Harry (except the whole Parseltounge, and the link with Voldermort [which I think he got both from Voldermort.]) I might see a little ravenclaw (skill wise) and maybe even a little Hufflepuff (his shy ways with girls), but I dont see any "true" evilness in him, which I believe all slytherins are made up of one way or another. Ah, but I don't think the House itself is evil. I mean.... look at Wormtail. He was a Gryffindor and yet he turned traitor. Look at Snape... Slytherin who was basically one of the unsung heroes. It's not the house but the people and just because Dark Wizards are apparently cunning the house turns out more dark wizards than not. It's an unfair judgement to say the house is evil. I mean... a lot of students at that school are cruel. Cormic McLaggen would have done well in Slytherin and so would Zachariz Smith. But they were in different houses for a reason. But they both had the potential to be mean, cruel... a House doesn't define you. Not really. Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephy Because, say for instance Harry does nothing at all. Is the wizardy world just going to sit by while they let Voldemort take over and be controled by him? Somebody is going to want to put an end to it. They are not going to take listening to this evil guy anymore. They will stand up to him and put an end to this evil.
Just like all those dicators in history. They stand in power for a little while then somebody rebels and put a stop to it all. So since Harry (for instance) doesnt do it, somebody else has to. Because that is what history tells us. But who is to say history is so right? Man wrote history and man is imperfect and kind of.... one sided at times. For example... let's say... Country A looses to Country B... B will end up writing the history for that war and that country however it sees fit. And vice versa if A were to win. History is never one sided but man is and thus makes history one sided and not always the best.... thing to trust. Okay... so I'm tired. I'll edit this later Stephy. So... er... don't reply yet. Kay? Tata for now! |
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