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Old 07-22-2009, 01:20 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Slytherin Fox View Post
I gave the movie a 4. It was extremely engrossing and well acted, actually one of the best in the series so far if not the best. What kept me from giving a 5 was the cuts. There were some things I felt were really important to the plot, the main one being the pensieve memory which dealt with Tom Riddle's heritage and the fact that he is himself a halfblood. This is something I really wish had been included, as I feel it is a crucial element and shouldn't have been left out. But then, I could be wrong.
Hmmm ... I disagree. I wouldn't say Voldemort being a half-blood is really that big of a deal. It gives him motivation but I personally don't care for his motivation. I know he's evil and there is no going back for him. Plus, he's mentioned twice what his heritage is in both Chamber of Secrets and Goblet of Fire.

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However, the film lacked in what they downplayed and left out. I had been looking forward to the final battle and Dumbledore's funeral especially. The alterations to the death scene were also bothersome.
As I said before. The feeling and spirit of Dumbledore's funeral was kept there (and even done better in my opinion) when the students and professors made the Dark Mark go away. Not only was it bittersweet moment but it completely encompassed the feeling of the war to come.

I agree about the battle though. Actually, whenever I read the battle I never really thought of it as ... well ... a battle. It always just seemed like a small skirmish to me, just a few students and professors throughout the halls but never anything epic at all. We got to see a small dose of that when Snape does away with that guard but a bit more of that would have been nice. Hagrid defending his house would have been great too. Seeing Death Eaters attacking poor old Hargrid would have got the movie fans and book fans really nervous because of the possibility of him dying (just as we were nervous that Hagrid might die in the books too). It's okay though. We'll get our grand battle in the final movie.

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1. The beginning - why the hell did it start with Harry and Dumbledore at the MoM having a photoshoot. That's so not where OotP left off, so it was the most random beginning to any movie.
I thought that was actually very nice and it totally captured me right from the beginning of the film. It just showed how Harry was in the center of the public eye and how Dumbledore would protect him always (which, if you think about it, makes his death all the more sad).

I don't know ... David Yates just knows how to work my heart (I loved Order of the Phoenix as well).

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2. I get that they wanted to add a big dramatic scene of the muggles/wizards being caught up in the war and the bridge being torn apart. The Millennium Bridge is pretty prominent and well recognized and visually it was pretty cool, but at least do a follow up (not in the Daily Prophet), how 'bout we stick with the book and use the actual Minister!
I liked what they did and I didn't mind that the only follow up was the Daily Prophet article. But I do agree that they could have pulled off something nice with "The Other Minister." I mean it doesn't have to be more than a five or ten minute scene between Fudge and the British Minister. While they were talking about what has been going on we could see it actually happening in B Roll or something. Definitely a missed opportunity but something I'm not too bummed about at all.

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3. Quidditch - I love Quidditch. It's amazing to watch and it's a neat story. But, the tryouts taken from OotP was a bit annoying. If you're going to keep Quidditch out of one of the books, then it doesn't make that much sense to make a big deal of it in this one. It took up space and took away from more important things from the story.
Eh, I disagree. They focus on the big beats of the comedic story and the dramatic story. I think Quidditch played itself off much like a high school themed movie would do with Football and the "big" football game (American Football, I mean, of course). I liked everything about the Quidditch and how it was handled. But I guess if it was taken away it would have left room for another memory. But I don't think the memory of the lady who owned the thing of Hufflepuff's or Voldemort's heritage was of great importance and the Quidditch just paces better with the flow of the film they ended up making with Half-Blood Prince.

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4. Tom Riddle - You have got to be kidding me??? The bulk of HBP is going in depth with Voldemort and how her became so evil, even before he was even born. How could they cut out the scenes of the House of Gaunt. It's one of the most interesting of scenes and really helps establish the beginning of an evil. Also, when Voldemort asks for a job at Hogwarts has it's significance to and it's that last moment that you see Voldemort with the slightest bit of humanity. Though little orphan Voldemort, played by Hero Fiennes-Tiffin was excellent. This young talent made your skin crawl. He definitely stepped it up and you could see a bit of Uncle Ralph shine through. He definitely hard a dark quality about him. The Slughorn scene with Tom was just average. I liked the teenage Tom in Chamber of Secrets much better.
I already mention my feelings about these cuts. I didn't really need them. I'd forgotten about him asking for a job. I would have liked that though. I actually preferred the teenage Tom Riddle in this one rather than the one in Chamber of Secrets. The Tom Riddle in CoS overacted a bit but was chilling all the same. The actor in this one was much more subtle and much more chilling because of it, I would say. "You don't know what he was like, even then" really rings true for me when I see how manipulative Tom Riddle was "even then."

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5. Stop changing the look of the pensieve! First Harry goes in and it's like he's part of the scene. Not he just sticks his head in for a long period of time (you'd think he'd drown!) and it's all smokey looking. Stick with one look. It gets annoying after awhile.
Different director, different vision. They all choose the way they feel best tells the story visual. For Goblet of Fire Mike Newell thought it would be best if Harry was sitting in the scene (although I don't think it was necassary) and in this one, Yates thought Harry actually being in the scene wasn't very necessary.

Concerning the smoky effect: again, different director, different vision. I definitely like the way the pensieve stuff was done here rather than in GoF, much more eerie. In fact, I would say the smoky effect works better because the memories are concerned with Voldemort rather than a mere trial. Who knows? Maybe memories all take on very different shapes and sizes depending on the memory itself.

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6. Was it any more obvious that Harry is a horcrux? All during DH I kept going back and forth...is he or isn't he? I liked the suspense, but deep down inside I had a feeling he was. So, when Dumbledore is talking about the ring and then Harry goes to touch it...Harry gets all these Voldie flashbacks and then did the neck twitch thing and then the ring goes all spinny. I think that totally gave away that they were connected and clearly meaning that he was connected to Voldie soulfully.
I think you read into that sequence way too much. It definitely did not give up anything about Harry being a final horcrux. Connected to Voldemort? Perhaps. But to go as far to say a horcrux? Nah, not at all.

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7. Harry/Ginny - Um...WTF? Could there be any less chemistry. I think the actors could have pulled it off if they stuck with the book, but the writing was just bad with it. It's like this big pivotal moment that you don't really see coming, but there's this big build between the two of them. I think the flirting with the waitress at the beginning took away from it. And there were hardly any moments where it was just Harry and Ginny to establish he was starting to like her. It felt very forced, with Hermione constantly bringing it up to the point where it was annoying. Also, they really bond more over the book because she knows what it's like to be possessed by a book and how it can have power over you. Ginny never really showed concern about Harry and the potions book, like in the actual HBP book. And then to top it off Ron is okay with it, but not until the end. In the book, it creates a bit of tension, but it smooths out in the end. But, kind of sets the tone of H/G's relationship.
I have to agree. The Harry/Ginny relationship was very weak. Actually, I would say it was the weakest element of the entire film. Though, I enjoyed the kiss. The first time I saw it (I saw it twice) I really didn't like the kiss but the second time I saw it, there was a sweetness to it.

But yeah, there was very little actual chemistry between them. Bonnie Wright seemed nervous in almost every scene she was in and I think that's the opposite of what Ginny's character is. The only scene where I felt she had a shed of confidence was when they were both in the Room of Requirement together. I actually like that the kiss was private rather than public but I'd just wish the scenes leading up to it would have been a bit better, nay, a lot better.

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8. Lavender/Ron/Hermione - I liked Lavender, I think Jessie Cave did a pretty decent job. I just think there were a lot more funnier moments and lines in the book between those two. I just didn't like how they didn't set it up for why Ron was really doing it. Hermione had Viktor, Harry had Cho, it was time for Ron to get a little snogging. I liked the reference to Viktor in HBP as well. It creates more jealousy. I think Emma Watson pulled off the jealousy well for the most part, but again it felt a bit to forced and at times over the top. Plus, when she took Cormac to Slug's party, how the hell would it make Ron jealous. I think there should have been a moment where Ron saw them leaving the common room together or something to show a bit of jealousy with Ron.
I was quite fine with everything pertaining to this storyline. It was very well done. In fact, I think it was a bit too good because it took away from the Harry/Ginny stuff. For instance, the scene when Hermione was asking Harry how it felt when he saw Ginny with Dean ... I didn't feel like Harry really cared when he said "It feels like this" because previously we saw nothing about him really being that jealous of the two of them. When we saw the scene of Ginny and Dean snogging it was really about Ron and Hermione and Ron being uncomfortable. Meanwhile, Harry was too preoccupied looking for Slughorn.

Ron/Lavender/Hermione though, was done very well. Most people laughed when Lavender got her heartbroken and was watching the trio from another table but I really felt her pain. Jessie Cave did a very good job with the role.

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9. Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes - well this scene was practically ruined since GoF. The fact that it never established that Harry was their benefactor... it just fell short. It was a bit of a calm before the storm moment, but again it was a useless scene that took away from the bulk of the story. There could have been a lot more funny moments like "Why Are You Worrying About You-Know-Who?You SHOULD Be Worrying About U-NO-POO -- the Constipation Sensation That's Gripping the Nation!" Everything I loved about that scene in the book was completely stripped down.
I have to agree. I was a bit underwhelmed by that scene. There could have been a lot more done with it but it wasn't horrible by any means. A sliver of the spirit was still there.

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10. Tom Felton = Best Performance in the Entire Movie. I felt like he really took Malfoy to a defeated state. You could see that he was torn throughout the movie, but I think the writing fell flat between him and Dumbledore. He showed some great emotion, I just felt like if they stuck closer to the book it would have been loads better. It was just annoying that Harry wasn't more upset with what Draco was doing, to the point where he was obsessed and that took away from him getting the memory from Slughorn.
I agree entirely ... up until the point about his exchange withe Dumbledore.

The dialogue between Dumbledore and Draco was quite fine but yes, Harry seemed less obsessed with Draco.

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11. Bellatrix/Death Eaters/Narcissa - So, for people who didn't read the book they're going to be like, "Who's that hairy guy hanging with the Death Eaters?" Well that would be Fenrir Greyback, the most dreaded werewolf, who bit Lupin, but they never really established who he was, just a hairy guy. And just cause you play a werewolf doesn't mean you transform to kind of look like one in human form! I mean look at Lupin! What the hell was with Narcissa's hair?!? The blonde/black look was a no go in my book. She looked hideous! She's a bleach blonde, and the Malfoys are this bleach blonde little family. I can just say thank goodness Helen McCrory didn't play Bellatrix. Helena Bonham-Carter can hardly do no wrong, but I felt like she could have been a bit more crazy like in OotP. I like how she took on the role as Draco's mentor, but that was about it. Also, at the end of the book, there's this big fight scene between Aurors and Death Eaters and that was not there at all. The Death Eaters just walked freely about doing there thing and nothing seemed to happen. I kind of figured from the moment Harry drank all the Liquid Luck that it wasn't going to happen, but I guess they left it out so a battle at Hogwarts will seem more dramatic in DH. And why the hell did they need to burn down Hagrid's Hut? More randomness!
Helena a bit more crazy!? She hit her marks perfectly! And she burned down Hargrid's hut because Bellatrix was crazy!

I have to agree about the battle. There was actually no point to the Death Eaters even being there without the battle.

And with Fenrir Greyback. I'm pretty sure you've read the books ... so why are you worried about people who haven't?

In any case, they could have easily slip in his back story in passing to explain why he looked so grotesque. It actually would have helped the added Burrow scene. It would have felt more dangerous if he was getting on all fours to pounce at Ginny or something.

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12. Snape - He is one of the most important characters in this book, hence the title "Half-Blood Prince." First of all, they didn't really go into all the research of who the HBP was. It was annoying, I mean it is in the title and it's kind of a big deal. Also, that little hush hush moment between Harry and Snape, before he goes off and kills Dumbledore was just so incredibly awkward. No one is supposed to know Harry is there. It took away from the shock that he was the one to kill Dumbledore. Also, Dumbledore should have been begging a bit more. When I read it I was like OMG, Dumbledore is begging for his life and it shows. Maybe it was Michael Gambon's fault on this, but it's really important in DH! Also, when Harry goes after Snape and the whole "Fight back, you coward!" It should be followed by one of the greatest lines in the book, "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" But no, let's just cast a spell that knocks him off his feet and leave. And the fact that Snape revealed that he was the HBP, just didn't have a dramatic effect like it should have.
I agree with some things you are saying and others I don't agree.

Just a side note though, it seems all the things you missed that were cut were small backstory things. Honestly, if you put in all the things you didn't want cut out: like more memories, Snape backstory ... then you would have an incredibly long movie. Creatively Steve Kloves choose to tell a certain story with Half Blood Prince, which I feel carries over the entire spirit of the book to movie form even if it wasn't letter for letter. But to each his own I guess. I just can't speak to it enough: films are a visual medium, while novels are a very detailed and wordy medium. You can't have all the backstory and small details that you enjoyed in the books. But what you can have is the spirit.

First let me say what I agree with. I definitely agree that they completely missed a huge beat with Snape being outraged with Harry calling him a coward. Actually, at the beginning of the movie I thought they were setting it up when Bellatrix called him a coward for not doing the Unbreakable Vow. I was like, "Oh, that'll come up later in the film." I have no idea why Yates and/or Kloves did not write that into the film. To see Snape that outraged is a marvel but they had him play it very bored and stilted.

I also agree that Dumbledore's plee wasn't done too well either and, in fact, made it too obvious that Snape was a good guy. In the book we see that Snape is angry when he casts the spell. In the movie he, again, looked bored. Dumbledore also doesn't do much pleading like he does in the book. Because they both had played it down so much I thought it made it pain-painstakingly obvious that Snape was told to kill him or he wasn't bad at all. Again, I have no idea why Yates and/or Kloves directed/wrote them that way.

Now that I disagree with is the exchange between Harry and Snape below the tower. I actually thought this was handled better in the film than in the book. In the book, Harry is very passive, well, he's stuck under his cloak and can't move. In the film, Harry actually has the choice to attempt and stop Snape but instead, as Dumbledore always wanted him to do ... he put his trust in Snape and let him go up to help Dumbledore. He made that active choice. The one time he puts his trust in Snape and he goes and kills the last father-figure he ever had. Maybe that didn't rub you the right way for but me, something about that was very heartbreaking and heartfelt.

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13. Why did they add the scene where the Death Eaters attacked the Weasleys over the holidays? It was completely pointless. It made no sense. What were they trying to achieve with that scene? It also felt weird that Arthur told Harry about the cabinet...hello, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, shouldn't that have confiscated it! It was just a bit to obvious to what was about to come. The only thing that was somewhat significant they kind of/sort of established Tonks and Lupin had a relationship...which brings be to:
I feel that the only reason the cabinet stuff was obvious to you is because you had previously read the books. I felt it was an okay set up.

I don't think the attack was completely pointless. I just feel it was somewhat pointless but for difference reason.

The reason they wanted that scene in was because they wanted Harry and friends to actually be involved with the Death Eater attacks they had been reading in the Daily Prophet in the books.

The problem with the scene, though, was that it didn't feel dangerous enough. Or rather, it felt dangerous at points and then it became confusing so I didn't know where the danger was even coming from or if it were even present and then it felt dangerous again and then it kinda of suck. That scene was a bit of up and down. The ending of it was nice but I would have liked to see the Weasley's struggling to get out of the house ... maybe a near death situation or something. The stakes in the scene were not high enough. If anything they could have added Bill and had him get bit or something if they weren't doing it in the final battle at the end. Oh well ... they added a complete new scene and it was just average.

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14. Lupin/Tonks, my favorite couple, but not in the movie! It was never firm they had a relationship. And it felt really weird that Tonks calls Lupin "sweetheart." In the book, Tonks' hair isn't a vibrant shade of pink and you know something is going on, but you think it's because she was morning Sirius. It's not until the end (in one of the BEST scenes of HBP, the Hospital scene), where you realize that they are in love and despite what has happened love can prevail in the most difficult of times. They have this chemistry and fire between one another and it just wasn't there. I am incredibly disappointed. And it's not until Dumbledore's funeral that you know if fact that they are going to be together.
Hmmm ... I would agree but you again, you are talking about adding in another scene that would add on another ten or fifteen minutes to the run time. Something had to be cut and I felt the whole "love/good prevails" over all is depicted in the wand raising scene. So much in the scene covers so much emotion for the book. But again, that's just me. Yates just knows how to rub me the right way. And also ... Lupin and Tonk's relationship is not important to the plot of Harry Potter much at all. It's a very nice piece of backstory that carries some of the book's theme but there is really not much place for it a film adaptation.

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15. Dumbledore's Funeral - WHY?!?!? WHY?!?!? It's such a vital scene and would have made such a greater impact on the ending. It was weird enough with the all wands in the sky moment, but why didn't they add it. It shows what a great man he was and what he meant to the wizarding community. Also, he's the first Headmaster to ever have been buried there and with his wand! It doesn't just sit in his office. Not only doesn't it show what a tremendous wizard he was, but there were other elements to that chapter as well. I was expected to get maybe a little teary-eyes, but no. It was just not as dramatic that was necessary. It showed Tonks and Lupin were definitely a couple and led to their relationship would go further in DH. Also, the scene with Harry and Ginny was really really important. I guess it wouldn't be that relevant cause they didn't really go in depth with relationship in the movie, but it's just so moving that Harry says he has to leave her to protect her. It just would have been such a greater ending to the movie, rather than have the trio have their (now tradtional ending) moment alone.
You say the funeral was vital to the story but your examples didn't seem very vital at all.

I'll bet money that they've moved the Harry and Ginny "breakup" after she gives him his "birthday present" which is all the better. Keep the feeling of that moment in the same movie rather at the end of another. It was sort of weird in the books that they broke up at the end of six and were hooking up at the beginning of the seventh. I'm sure the break up will be in the next one and for all the better.

Also, Tonk and Lupin' relationship, as I said, doesn't matter to the plot much at all (not until the last book/movie).

Again, the wands in the sky did show he was a great wizard and that he meant a lot of Harry and to the wizarding school and community. I guess that wordless scene didn't do it for you, but it did for me (as I've said time and time again). Film is a visual medium and that scene was told all visually. A funeral with a speech would not be optimal in the film medium. I guess people don't understand how visual of a medium film really is.

While I do disagree that the funeral was vital I do feel the final scene in the movie between the trio was a bit wordy. Just a lot of jabber between Harry/Hermione. But it ended well and made it really feel like they had a long trek ahead of them and a huge war to fight.
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