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Loony Lovegood · 07-07-2009, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxus

The Unforgivable Curses are: Cruciatus Curse (Crucio), Imperius Curse (Imperio), Killing Curse (Avada Kedavra).

Which one of those curses is worse?

The punishment is the same, a life sentence in Azkaban.

Is that fair?

A Dementor's kiss.

Is it a punishment at all?

I would say that they are all about equally evil.
But I can't say which one I would dread the most, I would hate any of them being used on myself.
How would anyone know the Killing Curse is painless? Harry, of course, survived it, but he was protected by his mother's love for him, so, of course, it didn't have the outcome Voldemort wanted.
Imperius is just wrong. It's terrible to have complete control over another human being.
Crucio...is just excruciating pain. Which can cause trauma.
So, yes, I'd say all are just about evenly wicked and wrong.

For the second question: Did Sirius Black deserve a life sentence in Azkaban? He didn't even commit the crime. It was Peter Pettigrew, so I wouldn't be opposed to anyone putting Peter in Azkaban, but I really don't think it's my place to dictate who should die in such a depressing, awful place as Azkaban. So, does anyone really ever deserve the death sentence? And who are we to decide who lives and who dies?

And for the third, yes, yes, yes.
That is about the worst punishment I could ever dream up.
To go on living, but without your soul?
I would never want that for anyone.

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Originally Posted by Lord Divadicus

The Killing Curse (Avada Kedavra) can never be used in true self-defense. As stated in the books and by JK Rowling herself, a person must truly find hatred in the individual intended to be killed. In this definition, a person cannot use the curse in self-defense because there has been no proof of hatred toward the individual. By my logic, the Killing Curse (Avada Kedavra) stands as a crime punishable by death (ie. The Dementor's Kiss.)

Yes, I agree that it definitely couldn't be used merely as self-defence unless there was a specific case. An example would be a person who already hated the person attacking them, and did, in fact, use the Killing Curse as self-defence. Although that could happen, using Avada Kedavra is much too extreme.

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Originally Posted by Tomasina Riddle

First I think that a dementor's kiss should be unforgivable and it should never ever be used. I mean there is nothing that a person could do that would warrant their soul being sucked out of their bodies.

I mean I know she had to make the dementor's a thing of nightmares, but I hate that this punishment was used on Barty Crouch. He could have been put back into prison.

I do think those punishments for using an unforgivable curse is right on the money. Especially if you hold it up against the muggle system of law. Murder, well in the USA and in some states is a capital crime, meaning they can ask for the death penalty. Forcing someone to do your bidding I think carries a life sentence depending on what you make them to. And then torture is a life sentence as well. So I don't think she was off the mark on that.

I think that having the dementors as guards at the prison was cruel and unusual punishment. You have already locked up these people and they have to spend their lives in a tiny cell never leaving and not even being allowed to be buried with their families. But then you have these creatures that suck out all their happy memories and you make then live in the gutters of their minds. Reliving every horrible thing that has ever happened to them. I mean what if a person had been abused as a child, mentally, physically, sexually and you are forcing them to relive that horror ever single day because you suspect them of opening up the Chamber of Secrets of something like that. How is that justice?

Justice is supposed to be swift and fair and never cruel. Justice is having someone pay for a broken window when they break it. Not chopping off their hand.

I agree with you about the Kiss of Death, it's terrible. Without our souls, what would we be? Basically just an empty shell, void of emotion. I couldn't imagine being doomed to live like that, without any feeling or opinions.
I definitely do not think that anyone should ever have to go through that, I know I wouldn't want to.

Well, I wouldn't sentence someone to a life sentence in Azkaban with the dementors there. You're right, it is terrible.
But, I would personally keep the dementors as guards, but not allow them to perform the Kiss; however, if they were kept on as guards, I think there should be a considerably lessened amount of time ordered spent in Azkaban.
I think spending time around dementors would be justice if it wasn't for an extended amount of time. Yes, it would be awful to be forced against your will to brood on your mistakes and unpleasant events in your life, but in some cases that may be what it takes for the extremely corrupt prisoners to repent. For example, if a wizard or witch used the Killing Curse and was sent to Azkaban, perhaps the mere presence of dementors would divert their thoughts to their victim and cause the killer to repent.
I think people can change.
Also, as a side note, I think a week in Azkaban for a crime you didn't commit would be extremely unjust. And a year in Azkaban seems extreme to me, not to mention a lifetime.

07-07-2009, 04:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
Loony Lovegood Imp Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hogsmeade Posts: 107 Ministry RPG Name: Ari Rovario Department of Mysteries	Who you gonna call? Quote: Originally Posted by Taxus The Unforgivable Curses are: Cruciatus Curse (Crucio), Imperius Curse (Imperio), Killing Curse (Avada Kedavra). Which one of those curses is worse? The punishment is the same, a life sentence in Azkaban. Is that fair? A Dementor's kiss. Is it a punishment at all? I would say that they are all about equally evil. But I can't say which one I would dread the most, I would hate any of them being used on myself. How would anyone know the Killing Curse is painless? Harry, of course, survived it, but he was protected by his mother's love for him, so, of course, it didn't have the outcome Voldemort wanted. Imperius is just wrong. It's terrible to have complete control over another human being. Crucio...is just excruciating pain. Which can cause trauma. So, yes, I'd say all are just about evenly wicked and wrong. For the second question: Did Sirius Black deserve a life sentence in Azkaban? He didn't even commit the crime. It was Peter Pettigrew, so I wouldn't be opposed to anyone putting Peter in Azkaban, but I really don't think it's my place to dictate who should die in such a depressing, awful place as Azkaban. So, does anyone really ever deserve the death sentence? And who are we to decide who lives and who dies? And for the third, yes, yes, yes. That is about the worst punishment I could ever dream up. To go on living, but without your soul? I would never want that for anyone. Quote: Originally Posted by Lord Divadicus The Killing Curse (Avada Kedavra) can never be used in true self-defense. As stated in the books and by JK Rowling herself, a person must truly find hatred in the individual intended to be killed. In this definition, a person cannot use the curse in self-defense because there has been no proof of hatred toward the individual. By my logic, the Killing Curse (Avada Kedavra) stands as a crime punishable by death (ie. The Dementor's Kiss.) Yes, I agree that it definitely couldn't be used merely as self-defence unless there was a specific case. An example would be a person who already hated the person attacking them, and did, in fact, use the Killing Curse as self-defence. Although that could happen, using Avada Kedavra is much too extreme. Quote: Originally Posted by Tomasina Riddle First I think that a dementor's kiss should be unforgivable and it should never ever be used. I mean there is nothing that a person could do that would warrant their soul being sucked out of their bodies. I mean I know she had to make the dementor's a thing of nightmares, but I hate that this punishment was used on Barty Crouch. He could have been put back into prison. I do think those punishments for using an unforgivable curse is right on the money. Especially if you hold it up against the muggle system of law. Murder, well in the USA and in some states is a capital crime, meaning they can ask for the death penalty. Forcing someone to do your bidding I think carries a life sentence depending on what you make them to. And then torture is a life sentence as well. So I don't think she was off the mark on that. I think that having the dementors as guards at the prison was cruel and unusual punishment. You have already locked up these people and they have to spend their lives in a tiny cell never leaving and not even being allowed to be buried with their families. But then you have these creatures that suck out all their happy memories and you make then live in the gutters of their minds. Reliving every horrible thing that has ever happened to them. I mean what if a person had been abused as a child, mentally, physically, sexually and you are forcing them to relive that horror ever single day because you suspect them of opening up the Chamber of Secrets of something like that. How is that justice? Justice is supposed to be swift and fair and never cruel. Justice is having someone pay for a broken window when they break it. Not chopping off their hand. I agree with you about the Kiss of Death, it's terrible. Without our souls, what would we be? Basically just an empty shell, void of emotion. I couldn't imagine being doomed to live like that, without any feeling or opinions. I definitely do not think that anyone should ever have to go through that, I know I wouldn't want to. Well, I wouldn't sentence someone to a life sentence in Azkaban with the dementors there. You're right, it is terrible. But, I would personally keep the dementors as guards, but not allow them to perform the Kiss; however, if they were kept on as guards, I think there should be a considerably lessened amount of time ordered spent in Azkaban. I think spending time around dementors would be justice if it wasn't for an extended amount of time. Yes, it would be awful to be forced against your will to brood on your mistakes and unpleasant events in your life, but in some cases that may be what it takes for the extremely corrupt prisoners to repent. For example, if a wizard or witch used the Killing Curse and was sent to Azkaban, perhaps the mere presence of dementors would divert their thoughts to their victim and cause the killer to repent. I think people can change. Also, as a side note, I think a week in Azkaban for a crime you didn't commit would be extremely unjust. And a year in Azkaban seems extreme to me, not to mention a lifetime. __________________ A little retro TV never hurt anyone.. It just brings back memories...