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Wow carola9146 we couldn't disagree more if I plotted it this way  Quote:
Originally Posted by carola9146 Snape is not a coward. Well that's the question this whole thread asks. I like your lexical definition but you can't answer that with any certainty unless you know all of Snape's background which is my argument ... you don't think he is, and I have to ... maybe agree a little, I mean he is a spy for the Order and all that ... but then ... why did that insult sting soooooo much? C'mon, coincidence? I think not. Quote:
Originally Posted by carola Snape, Snape, Snape... Yup that's our subject. Quote:
Originally Posted by carola Lily attempts to intervene, but Snape calls her a Mudblood, (because of his great embrassement and he is at his weakest and most volunerable moment) and she backs off. That instance I can totally understand, and I'm not saying he's a coward because of that ... but ... something else perhaps. Some other event ... Quote:
Originally Posted by carola Had Dumbledore been honest with Harry from the beginning and explained the truth about Harry’s complex connection to Voldemort, Harry may have been more stringent with his Occlumency practice, more tolerant and understanding of Snape and, therefore, not fallen for Voldemort’s trap. Snape could have forced Harry to keep on taking Occlumency lessons, Snape is the more mature figure here whatever Harry's ridiculous attitude, and yeah, Harry is not without blame I don't think anyone liked how he behaved in Ootp but ... Snape is the teacher and older and allegedly more mature. Which he's not. Which is why I think he's evil, which isn't the topic here ... is he a coward? I think so yes ... something he did or didn't do in the past and maybe that's why he's with the Order that's why he turned to undo something he did in the past ... maybe the reason Lily died ... he feels partly to blame ... he might have loved her ... it's been speculated elsewhere. Quote:
Originally Posted by carola Respect is something that can not be demanded but has to be earned. No. Actually you give it to strangers all the time ... and if you try not giving it to your parents ... at least in my house ... you're gonna get a whole lotta whoopin' boy ...  not that I'd know I'm so well behaved.  Quote:
Originally Posted by carola Snape has risked & scarificed soo much by being a double agent. He has spent his life atoning for whatever Dumbledore says he is truly remorseful for and to top it off niether side fully trust or respect him. Then you must leave room for the idea that he is attoning for some cowardly act he committed. Jo said Snape wasn't under the invisibility cloak but she didn't say he wasn't there ... the night the Potters died ... or with Neville's Parents or heaven knows where ... doing God's only knows what. Coward stung for a reason. Why? Quote:
Originally Posted by carola The coward remark was just too much for him. Even in Snape's greatest scarfice he has yet to be respected. I'd be a little PO'd too. Especially since I saved the brat's butt who called me a coward more times than I can count! Yeah well on behalf of the brat  *Pets Harry* He's going to do something even Snape can't and that's defeat Voldemort so ... *shrugs* I'd call them even or maybe Snape still owes Harry ... for years of pain. Fact is Snape saw Harry's life at the Dursley's he knows the kind of life he had isn't the one he thought he did, all wonderful and egotistical ... but his treatment of Harry never changed. Snape at the very least is petty or a fool ... in my opinion ... we're talking about an adult ... Harry's an adolescent ... so ... I don't know if he's a coward, but I think that remark stings for a reason ... maybe he's been wrongly accused of it before ... you might be right and he's not. But there's something there isn't there? Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhemus Most people assume that this was Tobias Snape versus Eileen and young Severus. Are those names canon? Wow ... where'd you get them? No fair I wanna know ... *pouts* Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhemus I prefer the theory that the man was Grandad Prince because it fits with Marvolo versus Merope. I have to say I agree with you there ... sounds more fun and mirrory. Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhemus Also if Tobias and Eileen had an abusive relationship, I don't see why Severus would have been so happy to take the nickname "Half blood Prince". That would depend on who the half blood was ... or rather if his father was Muggleborn or not ... or who was the wizard or witch? God I'm confusing myself LOL  Then he could have taken it as a badge of honor though in truth I don't see where he was happy with the name ... since he kept it a secret ... maybe his secret shame? Uh, new thread ... LOL
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