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carola9146 · 09-19-2006, 10:58 AM

From an AOL chat on October 19, 2000 JK said:

"Where did James get his Invisibility Cloak?

That was inherited from his own father-- a family heirloom!"

So James' family has had the cloak for years.

Invisibility cloaks are very rare and expensive. They are made from the pelts of Demiguises, magical herbivores that are found in the Far East. They are rated XXXX - Dangerous / requires specialist knowledge / skilled wizard may handle in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Demiguies are able to make itself invisable when threatened and can only be seen by wizard's skilled in it's capture. Therefore, only a very skilled wizard would be able to make a cloak.

The known owners of cloaks (that we know of) are:

1) Mad-Eye Moody (who is known to possess two; one of these is borrowed by Sturgis Podmore in the course of work for the Order); he can see through them with his magical blue eye.

2) Harry Potter; the original owner of this cloak was his father.

3) Bartemius Crouch, who uses it to hide his son.

This is definitely not a "normal" item any wizard can purchase at the robe shop. So I would also assume that there isn't a large number of cloaks around. There may be only a few more than the ones we know of at this time.

Now I believe there were more people at Godric's Hollow the night Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry, (not just Lily & Harry and later James). I have always believed that James was not in the house when Voldemort first arrived the night Harry got his scar.

I think James was bringing the cloak to Dumbledore (for whatever reason that is significant to the story but we don't know about yet). Maybe he was asking Dumbledore to keep it safe for Harry in case anything happened to him.
James returned to the house just after Voldemort arrived. And the rest we know.

Now James' family are ordinary wizards. Jame's family is not related to Gryffindor. This is what JK had to say about Harry being Gryffindor's Heir...

From JK Rowling's World Book Day Chat, March 4, 2004:

Jami: Is Harry related to Godric Gryffindor?
JK Rowling replies -> People are always wondering who Harry might be related to. Maybe he is

(the complete interview is at http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/art...4/0304-wbd.htm )

In an interview by Leaky Cauldron on July 16, 2005 JK said:
[i]
MA: What about Harry's family — his grandparents — were they killed?

JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.

MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.

JKR: [Pause.] Yeah. Well - yeah.

MA: Another one bites the dust.

(complete interview is at http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/art...t-anelli-3.htm )

So James may not be related to Gryffindor but couldn't Dumbledore be? Was Dumbledore the heir of Gryffindor? That would explain why he had all of the Gryffindor heirlooms in his office. He could have even invented the cloaks or knows who does. Fawkes is thought to have belonged to Godric Gryffindor. Prehaps Fawkes was passed down by Godric to Dumbledore.

That would also explain a lot about what happened whne Harry faced Tom Riddle (from the diary) at the end of CoS. All of the known Gryffindor heirlooms came to Harry's aide in the cave - Fawkes bought the Sorting Hat w/ Godric's sword hiddened in it.

That would also explain why Dumbledore told Harry in CoS that "Only a true Gryffindor could pull that out of the hat." Dumbledore would know if he was a true Gryffindor himself!

This is just soo interesting!!!! I can't wait to know the answer. What do you think?

09-19-2006, 10:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
carola9146 Chizpurfle Location: Southern NJ Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 717	From an AOL chat on October 19, 2000 JK said: "Where did James get his Invisibility Cloak? That was inherited from his own father-- a family heirloom!" So James' family has had the cloak for years. Invisibility cloaks are very rare and expensive. They are made from the pelts of Demiguises, magical herbivores that are found in the Far East. They are rated XXXX - Dangerous / requires specialist knowledge / skilled wizard may handle in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Demiguies are able to make itself invisable when threatened and can only be seen by wizard's skilled in it's capture. Therefore, only a very skilled wizard would be able to make a cloak. The known owners of cloaks (that we know of) are: 1) Mad-Eye Moody (who is known to possess two; one of these is borrowed by Sturgis Podmore in the course of work for the Order); he can see through them with his magical blue eye. 2) Harry Potter; the original owner of this cloak was his father. 3) Bartemius Crouch, who uses it to hide his son. This is definitely not a "normal" item any wizard can purchase at the robe shop. So I would also assume that there isn't a large number of cloaks around. There may be only a few more than the ones we know of at this time. Now I believe there were more people at Godric's Hollow the night Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry, (not just Lily & Harry and later James). I have always believed that James was not in the house when Voldemort first arrived the night Harry got his scar. I think James was bringing the cloak to Dumbledore (for whatever reason that is significant to the story but we don't know about yet). Maybe he was asking Dumbledore to keep it safe for Harry in case anything happened to him. James returned to the house just after Voldemort arrived. And the rest we know. Now James' family are ordinary wizards. Jame's family is not related to Gryffindor. This is what JK had to say about Harry being Gryffindor's Heir... From JK Rowling's World Book Day Chat, March 4, 2004: Jami: Is Harry related to Godric Gryffindor? JK Rowling replies -> People are always wondering who Harry might be related to. Maybe he is (the complete interview is at http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/art...4/0304-wbd.htm ) In an interview by Leaky Cauldron on July 16, 2005 JK said: [i] MA: What about Harry's family — his grandparents — were they killed? JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them. MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well. JKR: [Pause.] Yeah. Well - yeah. MA: Another one bites the dust. (complete interview is at http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/art...t-anelli-3.htm ) So James may not be related to Gryffindor but couldn't Dumbledore be? Was Dumbledore the heir of Gryffindor? That would explain why he had all of the Gryffindor heirlooms in his office. He could have even invented the cloaks or knows who does. Fawkes is thought to have belonged to Godric Gryffindor. Prehaps Fawkes was passed down by Godric to Dumbledore. That would also explain a lot about what happened whne Harry faced Tom Riddle (from the diary) at the end of CoS. All of the known Gryffindor heirlooms came to Harry's aide in the cave - Fawkes bought the Sorting Hat w/ Godric's sword hiddened in it. That would also explain why Dumbledore told Harry in CoS that "Only a true Gryffindor could pull that out of the hat." Dumbledore would know if he was a true Gryffindor himself! This is just soo interesting!!!! I can't wait to know the answer. What do you think? Last edited by carola9146 : 09-19-2006 at 11:02 AM.