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**evlpez** · 10-31-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ottery

I like to bang my head against walls...because it clears up my thoughts or Ottery would like to point something out...(Please feel free not to care). None of this is intended to offend anyone, and it is not directed at anyone personally!

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Originally Posted by SS

Sa13+ - Contains content not suitable for children; Suitable for teens, 13 years and older, with some violence, and minor suggestive adult themes but free of any coarse language. Wizards can duel and use unforgivables, but don't go into detail about the effects of any nasty hexes like Sectumsempra. Hand-holding, romantic embraces, flirting and brief kisses on the cheek or the lips are okay, but nothing beyond that, romantically.

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Originally Posted by http://www.mpaa.org/movieratings/about/

PG-13:"Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some Material May Be Inappropriate For Children Under 13."

PG-13 is thus a sterner warning to parents to determine for themselves the attendance in particular of their younger children as they might consider some material not suited for them. Parents, by the rating, are alerted to be very careful about the attendance of their under-teenage children.

A PG-13 film is one which, in the view of the Rating Board, leaps beyond the boundaries of the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, or other contents, but does not quite fit within the restricted R category.

First Ottery, let me say that we no longer use the MPAA ratings because they don't want us to. Sa13+ is NOT the same as PG-13.

Secondly, you seem to equate "The Restricted Section" with "Restricted Movies", or the like. That's not what the RS is for. The name of the forum refers to that part of Hogwarts' Library reserved for material meant for older students and teachers. It's a name. That's all. At Snitchseeker, it means that the content in that forum is reserved for those who are older than our younger members.

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Originally Posted by Ottery

My point is. I'm not happy with the idea that my fic is in the restricted section!

Then make it appropriate in such a way that the PARENT of a 12 year old will not object to his/her child reading it.

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Originally Posted by Ottery

I don't think that the rating system as it stands now is as it should be. There's no nudity, sensuality (which is ironic, does that imply I can't discuss use of the different senses in my story?) and on the subject of language...
**** ****. If PG-13 movies...actually I think PG movies are allowed to use them too, just not excessively, but I'll get to that in a minute.

I don't recall the word 'sensuality' being used in the ratings guide (nor do I recall observing common use of that word to describe the use of one's ordinary senses

). We object to SEXUALITY in fics in Gringotts Wizarding Bank. Twelve year olds do not need to be reading/writing about these themes, as I'm sure their parents would agree. About language and the fact that **** is considered cursing; it's not a Fan Fiction rule, it's a site-wide Rule, approved and enforced by the entire administrative staff and the owner of the site; the guy who pays the bills. If you must curse, then post your story elsewhere. I cannot change this rule for you or anyone.

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Originally Posted by Ottery

Before, the restricted section was for stories for people ages 15+ and I agreed with that I even posted a story there which is probably really PG but...I'd rather be safe than the reason fascism is taking a hold of the world right? Anyways, my point is, I do think my story isn't suitable for people under 13 (maybe, I'd rather err on the side of caution I always have, people know this) but I don't think it should be restricted like I'm going to write pervy fiction, or like I'm writing something 'mature'. *Teddy pops in* T: Trust me. The words mature and Ottery don't go together in a sentence... *Ottery chasing Teddy* I think 13+ is a good divider but we need one 15+ like before, because I really don't think my story is anywhere near rated R in the movies...and yes I think dividing 13+ is necessary from 15 because there is a major difference, and you're right not to want to host 16+ on this site.

At this point, the only real thing keeping many 9 and 10 year olds out of the Restricted Section (*now called The High Security Vaults) is their own desire to stay away. Therefore, in the best interests of properly serving and protecting our members (and likely the wishes of our members' parents), the current rules about what can and cannot be posted in Gringotts Wizarding Bank (FanWorks) and/or The High Security Vaults stand at this time. Nothing lasts forever though, and If/when there is a change in what ratings of threads may be posted somewhere, we'll tell you about it, I promise.

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Originally Posted by Ottery

But...*chocking on the restictive ratings* if you are going to restrict my story then I think we (the authors bound therein) should be allowed the priviledges that come with that.

We're not restricting your story. Everyone has access to it except Newbies, Guests, those who are in the process of registering (e-mail's not yet validated) and COPPA members (those for whom we're awaiting parental consent for their membership). All other members can access it (which is more than can access the school RP, even). It's just not located in the same location as the majority of stories right now. Being an administrator doesn't give me any special privileges about what I can post around the site, so I don't feel that you're suggesting a fair resolution to your problem.

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Originally Posted by Ottery

If motion pictures allow the use of foul language, which is to say nothing of the fiction kids read in school (Huckleberry Finn & The Catcher in the Rye, readily come to mind) (T: Mention television, go on TV) why aren't we? ****, there's not a **** thing wrong with that if it is used to prove a point and isn't taken to excess.

Huck Finn and Catcher were both written a long time ago, before mass media began raising our children for us. I don't allow my kids to see movies or TV with foul language in it, and I'd rather read them fiction without foul language in it, too. Are they going to be exposed to foul language? Yes. Will it be at Snitchseeker? No, it won't. Just because North American television allows something, doesn't mean Snitchseeker should too. There will be no infractions of the site's language rule allowed in Fan Fiction or anywhere else at this time.

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Originally Posted by Ottery

And I'd like to lodge an objection against banning the word ***. It's in Peter Pan for pete's sake and it refers to a mule...which I can be sometimes about somethings I guess. I don't imagine any of this will change...but I thought I would point out my view on some of this stuff. I already know where you stand on this...and no this doesn't begin to scratch the surface why I hate restrictions...

The problem with this word and a couple of others is that they are not bad words. Used in their proper, original meanings and contexts they're fine. However popular western culture has adopted them as expletives and uses them in inappropriate context for Snitchseeker. Therefore, they are filtered. Is it a great idea? Not really, but it's the best way to protect our members from encountering them in their improper uses. If you want, get really creative and create new expletives for your characters to exclaim. They're wizards after all, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by Ottery

In conclusion. I would just like to say...I'd love to say *** and not have it banned.

I'd love to say a lot of things. But I don't say them here. Rarely is there ever a real need for specific words in a piece of fiction. (Go ahead and write something to prove me wrong in that statement. I won't read it though because I'm tired of this argument.) The beauty of the English language is that it is so versatile and vast that we can find numerous ways of stringing words together to express the same idea. You do not need to use the word(s) you're complaining about. If you think you do, then allow me to recommend Mirriam-Webster's online Dictionary and Thesaurus.

10-31-2005, 07:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
evlpez Potterwatch! Momma Acromantula Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bounty Hunting Posts: 10,290	Viva Buymoria! Love you Twin! Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery I like to bang my head against walls...because it clears up my thoughts or Ottery would like to point something out...(Please feel free not to care). None of this is intended to offend anyone, and it is not directed at anyone personally! Quote: Originally Posted by SS Sa13+ - Contains content not suitable for children; Suitable for teens, 13 years and older, with some violence, and minor suggestive adult themes but free of any coarse language. Wizards can duel and use unforgivables, but don't go into detail about the effects of any nasty hexes like Sectumsempra. Hand-holding, romantic embraces, flirting and brief kisses on the cheek or the lips are okay, but nothing beyond that, romantically. Quote: Originally Posted by http://www.mpaa.org/movieratings/about/ PG-13:"Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some Material May Be Inappropriate For Children Under 13." PG-13 is thus a sterner warning to parents to determine for themselves the attendance in particular of their younger children as they might consider some material not suited for them. Parents, by the rating, are alerted to be very careful about the attendance of their under-teenage children. A PG-13 film is one which, in the view of the Rating Board, leaps beyond the boundaries of the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, or other contents, but does not quite fit within the restricted R category. First Ottery, let me say that we no longer use the MPAA ratings because they don't want us to. Sa13+ is NOT the same as PG-13. Secondly, you seem to equate "The Restricted Section" with "Restricted Movies", or the like. That's not what the RS is for. The name of the forum refers to that part of Hogwarts' Library reserved for material meant for older students and teachers. It's a name. That's all. At Snitchseeker, it means that the content in that forum is reserved for those who are older than our younger members. Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery My point is. I'm not happy with the idea that my fic is in the restricted section! Then make it appropriate in such a way that the PARENT of a 12 year old will not object to his/her child reading it. Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery I don't think that the rating system as it stands now is as it should be. There's no nudity, sensuality (which is ironic, does that imply I can't discuss use of the different senses in my story?) and on the subject of language... ** . If PG-13 movies...actually I think PG movies are allowed to use them too, just not excessively, but I'll get to that in a minute. I don't recall the word 'sensuality' being used in the ratings guide (nor do I recall observing common use of that word to describe the use of one's ordinary senses ). We object to SEXUALITY in fics in Gringotts Wizarding Bank. Twelve year olds do not need to be reading/writing about these themes, as I'm sure their parents would agree. About language and the fact that is considered cursing; it's not a Fan Fiction rule, it's a site-wide Rule, approved and enforced by the entire administrative staff and the owner of the site; the guy who pays the bills. If you must curse, then post your story elsewhere. I cannot change this rule for you or anyone. Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery** Before, the restricted section was for stories for people ages 15+ and I agreed with that I even posted a story there which is probably really PG but...I'd rather be safe than the reason fascism is taking a hold of the world right? Anyways, my point is, I do think my story isn't suitable for people under 13 (maybe, I'd rather err on the side of caution I always have, people know this) but I don't think it should be restricted like I'm going to write pervy fiction, or like I'm writing something 'mature'. Teddy pops in T: Trust me. The words mature and Ottery don't go together in a sentence... Ottery chasing Teddy I think 13+ is a good divider but we need one 15+ like before, because I really don't think my story is anywhere near rated R in the movies...and yes I think dividing 13+ is necessary from 15 because there is a major difference, and you're right not to want to host 16+ on this site. At this point, the only real thing keeping many 9 and 10 year olds out of the Restricted Section (now called The High Security Vaults) is their own desire to stay away. Therefore, in the best interests of properly serving and protecting our members (and likely the wishes of our members' parents), the current rules about what can and cannot be posted in Gringotts Wizarding Bank (FanWorks) and/or The High Security Vaults stand at this time. Nothing lasts forever though, and If/when there is a change in what ratings of threads may be posted somewhere, we'll tell you about it, I promise. Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery* *But...chocking on the restictive ratings* if you are going to restrict my story then I think we (the authors bound therein) should be allowed the priviledges that come with that. We're not restricting your story. Everyone has access to it except Newbies, Guests, those who are in the process of registering (e-mail's not yet validated) and COPPA members (those for whom we're awaiting parental consent for their membership). All other members can access it (which is more than can access the school RP, even). It's just not located in the same location as the majority of stories right now. Being an administrator doesn't give me any special privileges about what I can post around the site, so I don't feel that you're suggesting a fair resolution to your problem. Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery If motion pictures allow the use of foul language, which is to say nothing of the fiction kids read in school (Huckleberry Finn & The Catcher in the Rye, readily come to mind) (T: Mention television, go on TV) why aren't we? , there's not a thing wrong with that if it is used to prove a point and isn't taken to excess. Huck Finn and Catcher were both written a long time ago, before mass media began raising our children for us. I don't allow my kids to see movies or TV with foul language in it, and I'd rather read them fiction without foul language in it, too. Are they going to be exposed to foul language? Yes. Will it be at Snitchseeker? No, it won't. Just because North American television allows something, doesn't mean Snitchseeker should too. There will be no infractions of the site's language rule allowed in Fan Fiction or anywhere else at this time. Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery And I'd like to lodge an objection against banning the word . It's in Peter Pan for pete's sake and it refers to a mule...which I can be sometimes about somethings I guess. I don't imagine any of this will change...but I thought I would point out my view on some of this stuff. I already know where you stand on this...and no this doesn't begin to scratch the surface why I hate restrictions... The problem with this word and a couple of others is that they are not bad words. Used in their proper, original meanings and contexts they're fine. However popular western culture has adopted them as expletives and uses them in inappropriate context for Snitchseeker. Therefore, they are filtered. Is it a great idea? Not really, but it's the best way to protect our members from encountering them in their improper uses. If you want, get really creative and create new expletives for your characters to exclaim. They're wizards after all, aren't they? Quote: Originally Posted by Ottery* In conclusion. I would just like to say...I'd love to say * and not have it banned.** I'd love to say a lot of things. But I don't say them here. Rarely is there ever a real need for specific words in a piece of fiction. (Go ahead and write something to prove me wrong in that statement. I won't read it though because I'm tired of this argument.) The beauty of the English language is that it is so versatile and vast that we can find numerous ways of stringing words together to express the same idea. You do not need to use the word(s) you're complaining about. If you think you do, then allow me to recommend Mirriam-Webster's online Dictionary and Thesaurus. __________________ Last edited by evlpez; 08-29-2008 at 05:15 PM.