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Originally Posted by Laieesha
But isn't the Dementor's kiss worse than being dead? Hence, it's worse to be in Azkaban than be "beyond the veil". Well, we don't really know what's behind it, so we won't know which is worse. One can be "dead" behind the veil, but what if they can still see and hear the living, but we can only hear murmurs and whispers from them? That's gotta be worse because you are aware of what's going on, unlike Azkaban where you're like the living dead, moving, breathing but not living....
Not everyone in Azkaban gets the Dementor's Kiss, that's only reserved for the worst people. Not even those 10 DE's who escaped got that.
Luna, Harry & Neville were affected by the veil. Ginny was slightly affected too.
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I'm somewhat torn between the idea of it being a death penalty and it being purely a way for death to be studied. I think Marcella Riddle could be right - maybe it was created in order to study death? There must be some reason they keep it around as it is dangerous.
To me, it makes more sense for it to be an experiment gone wrong because the Department of Mysteries is full of experiments! But then it was in the room with Dai's which makes it like a death penalty thing.
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Marcella is right, possible. But the question is: how are you going to study death? Even in magic world? And not die?
Death can be studied. They study love in the DoM. But, like I said, I think it may have backfired and possibly Luna's mum was one of the people involved in it and that's how she died. That could also explain why Luna is so sure of what the veil is.
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If they were studying death, I believe it will be about how to COME BACK from it. If it's just death in general, well then they can always ask the ghosts that roam around.
The ghosts don't know about death. NHN admitted that. He said he does not know what lies behind death because he chose to stay as an echo of himself rather than die and 'move on' properly. That's why Harry was so frustrated by him; Nick couldn't give him the answers he wanted whereas Luna could.
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If the voices can still be heard, maybe they're just looming somewhere near?
I think the experiment went too far, they discovered too much and it backfired as a lesson to those people who meddles in it, that some things aren't to be discovered. I definitely think the voices are of those from death, not those who've fallen through it.
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i think it is....a semi-final resting place. Like if you fall behind the Veil, you die for a year or two, then are reborn as the same person-different look. Kinda like a pheonix.
That'd contradict Jo Rowling. Sirius is gone. Full stop. No coming back.
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Well, I'm not sure the ghosts even really know what REAL death is - Sir Nicholas seems to indicate that a person becomes a ghost when they choose not to move on to the "real death". Ghosts seem to keep on living except as a mere shadow of their formal selves containing their soul. Whereas I would think that "real death" means giving up your physical body all together and not being bound to the living anymore.
You took the words right out of my mouth!!
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Do you guys feel that if it is a doorway to the afterlife - is it the ONLY doorway?
I think the Unspeakables were trying to create a portal to the afterlife and it backfired. Like when people try to make robots in films, alot of the time so much intelligence is put into something that it gains a mind of its own and so takes it own orders perse.
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For example, does everyone who dies soul pass through it? Or only those who actually physically pass through it?
I don't think it's something all the dead pass through. I'm moving away from the death sentence theory because surely they would've used that for evil people like Bellatrix etc...? I just think it echoes the voices of those dead, for those who go near it, which tempts them, which is a part of the 'thing' having a life of its own and getting back at those who were so curious as to make the thing in the first place.